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Galen Rath · October 6th, 2010, 01:08 PM

I view things the way you do, Buck, I hope CANON is also checking the posts and lowers the prices accordingly.

Chris Hurd · October 6th, 2010, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck Forester

It just doesn't seem this new Canon is packing the online forum houses. How that translates into 'reality' I have no idea.

Sorry but it doesn't translate into reality very well at all. Trust me, as I have
been in the forum business for well over a decade. The most forum activity
comes along when there is some sort of perceived tech problem. Otherwise
outside of the dedicated forum audience that actually uses it on a day to
day basis (bless you all), a message board to the rest of the world is a lot
like the police department... they don't call upon it unless there's trouble.

On top of that, only a small fraction of camera owners are online talking
about their cameras -- too small of a base to draw any real conclusions,
and that applies to photo, video, etc., online anywhere.

Buck Forester · October 6th, 2010, 01:56 PM

Chris would certainly be more knowledgeable than me regarding this, so I will concede his point. I shoot Canon stills and have a 5D MK II so I am all for this camera rockin' it.

Galen Rath · October 6th, 2010, 02:21 PM

I hope Canon notes that the 51,000 views about the Sony videocam with interchangeable lenses in the Digital Video Industry News section isn't because of a technical problem. Get with it CANON!

Jim Martin · October 6th, 2010, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galen Rath

I view things the way you do, Buck, I hope CANON is also checking the posts and lowers the prices accordingly.

Lower prices??? The 300 & 305 pricing is right where the EX1 & EX3 are. Why should they be lower, especially, among other features, with a higher codec......this whole line of discussion has been gone over in other posts.....too much. The $6500-$7500 range is right where the top cameras in their class have been landing for a while.

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com

Galen Rath · October 8th, 2010, 01:42 PM

At that price , and with the lack of a firewire output for secondary backup, and low-light performance not generating particular excitement in the forums, I'll be checking out Sony products for the first time.

Josh Dahlberg · October 8th, 2010, 05:41 PM

To be fair Galen, there are plenty of other outputs that (component, HDMI, HDSDI on the 305) that allow you to record to an external device uncompressed - personally I don't consider firewire an omission.

True, it's not a low-light king, but it's not bad performer in this respect either, about par for the course.

The XL-H1 went for considerably more ($9000) when it first came out and these new cameras beat it on every level. If you're making money from the camera - which I expect most XF users are - the price isn't really an issue.

It provides enough benefits over the EX to justify the cost; this camera actually drew me back to Canon (I had a Z5 prior to the XF). I think most people buying the XF are doing so based on features, not price.

Even when Canon does come out with a DSLR/camcorder crossover, there will continue to be a market for the XF.

Josh Dahlberg · October 8th, 2010, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galen Rath

I hope Canon notes that the 51,000 views about the Sony videocam with interchangeable lenses in the Digital Video Industry News section isn't because of a technical problem. Get with it CANON!

Completely different market. The Sony you refer to isn't even worth contemplating for the work I do, and I expect it's the same for most XF buyers.

Galen Rath · October 12th, 2010, 01:07 PM

Josh, I was not comparing the two cameras, I was pointing out the kinds of things that get customers excited.

Galen Rath · October 12th, 2010, 01:14 PM

Josh, then why did you make this post in another thread on October 8, which discusses the omission of a firewire port, you sounded sympathetic to Michael there?

I have the same concern as Michael. Tapeless = great. Having to rely on a single CF card to perform flawlessly during a critical shoot = worrying.

I had a CF card fail on me when recording to the 5DII last year - it was a new, undamaged card - there was no indication of a problem while recording but back in the studio several files were unrecoverable.

Each time I record an interview for a client on the XF I do cross my fingers that my cards will perform. I'm using Sandisk Extreme - after reading Doug's post I'll consider switching to Hoodman. The Nexto unit is useful but doesn't solve the issue of card failure - something like the Ninja or Nano makes sense...

The XF100/105 has the ability to record to both cards at once... does this seem like something Canon could address for the 300/305 with a firmware update? It makes a lot of sense - for critical work I'd definitely like that insurance.

Josh Dahlberg · October 12th, 2010, 02:50 PM

My post makes no mention of Firewire - it was about the reliability of CF cards (just yesterday I bought hoodman cards as these are said to be most secure).

For backup or external recording, superior options would be uncompressed output to the Nano, upcoming Ninja and Kipro Mini or an equivalent device; these are options I am considering.

Is there any firewire only recorder that can record 1920x1080, 422@50mb+? If not we're discussing backing up to an inferior format: once more, not something I would consider an omission on Canon's part, though I guess if someone has a legacy device this may be handy as an emergency backup.

Back to your comment, "Get with it CANON!" rather speaks for itself. Yes, the large sensor cameras are getting people excited at the moment (I bought a 5DII the moment they came out so I'm not immune to the buzz), but that doesn't make the XF any less relevant; these cameras are built for a specific market to do specific work. They serve this purpose very well indeed.

Omar Torresola · January 6th, 2011, 11:55 AM

I was expecting its price to drop near the $5500 line by now.

Robert Turchick · January 6th, 2011, 12:23 PM

Dream on! First, for what the camera actually does performance-wise it's only got a couple of direct competitors and is right in line with those. It's far better than the crowded $2k-$5k camera segment and really can compete with cameras in the $10k range. (in my humble opinion!) Would it have been nice to pay less? Of course! But Canon isn't going to drop pricing significantly til they have a direct replacement. If you cant afford the 300/305, as I mentioned, plenty of good cameras in the next segment down.

Omar Torresola · January 6th, 2011, 01:15 PM

Canon has rebates for other products like lenses. I'm thinking of a promotion; not permanently.

October 12th, 2010, 01:14 PM	#25
Galen Rath Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 323	To be fair Galen, there are plenty of other outputs that (component, HDMI, HDSDI on t Josh, then why did you make this post in another thread on October 8, which discusses the omission of a firewire port, you sounded sympathetic to Michael there? I have the same concern as Michael. Tapeless = great. Having to rely on a single CF card to perform flawlessly during a critical shoot = worrying. I had a CF card fail on me when recording to the 5DII last year - it was a new, undamaged card - there was no indication of a problem while recording but back in the studio several files were unrecoverable. Each time I record an interview for a client on the XF I do cross my fingers that my cards will perform. I'm using Sandisk Extreme - after reading Doug's post I'll consider switching to Hoodman. The Nexto unit is useful but doesn't solve the issue of card failure - something like the Ninja or Nano makes sense... The XF100/105 has the ability to record to both cards at once... does this seem like something Canon could address for the 300/305 with a firmware update? It makes a lot of sense - for critical work I'd definitely like that insurance. Last edited by Galen Rath; October 12th, 2010 at 02:44 PM.

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Robert Turchick Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 1,389	Dream on! First, for what the camera actually does performance-wise it's only got a couple of direct competitors and is right in line with those. It's far better than the crowded $2k-$5k camera segment and really can compete with cameras in the $10k range. (in my humble opinion!) Would it have been nice to pay less? Of course! But Canon isn't going to drop pricing significantly til they have a direct replacement. If you cant afford the 300/305, as I mentioned, plenty of good cameras in the next segment down. __________________ The older I get, the better I was!

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October 6th, 2010, 01:08 PM	#16
Galen Rath Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 323	I view things the way you do, Buck, I hope CANON is also checking the posts and lowers the prices accordingly.

October 6th, 2010, 01:56 PM	#18
Buck Forester Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Posts: 230	Chris would certainly be more knowledgeable than me regarding this, so I will concede his point. I shoot Canon stills and have a 5D MK II so I am all for this camera rockin' it.

October 6th, 2010, 02:21 PM	#19
Galen Rath Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 323	I hope Canon notes that the 51,000 views about the Sony videocam with interchangeable lenses in the Digital Video Industry News section isn't because of a technical problem. Get with it CANON!

October 8th, 2010, 01:42 PM	#21
Galen Rath Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 323	At that price , and with the lack of a firewire output for secondary backup, and low-light performance not generating particular excitement in the forums, I'll be checking out Sony products for the first time.

October 8th, 2010, 05:41 PM	#22
Josh Dahlberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 513	To be fair Galen, there are plenty of other outputs that (component, HDMI, HDSDI on the 305) that allow you to record to an external device uncompressed - personally I don't consider firewire an omission. True, it's not a low-light king, but it's not bad performer in this respect either, about par for the course. The XL-H1 went for considerably more ($9000) when it first came out and these new cameras beat it on every level. If you're making money from the camera - which I expect most XF users are - the price isn't really an issue. It provides enough benefits over the EX to justify the cost; this camera actually drew me back to Canon (I had a Z5 prior to the XF). I think most people buying the XF are doing so based on features, not price. Even when Canon does come out with a DSLR/camcorder crossover, there will continue to be a market for the XF.

October 12th, 2010, 01:07 PM	#24
Galen Rath Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 323	Josh, I was not comparing the two cameras, I was pointing out the kinds of things that get customers excited.

October 12th, 2010, 02:50 PM	#26
Josh Dahlberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 513	My post makes no mention of Firewire - it was about the reliability of CF cards (just yesterday I bought hoodman cards as these are said to be most secure). For backup or external recording, superior options would be uncompressed output to the Nano, upcoming Ninja and Kipro Mini or an equivalent device; these are options I am considering. Is there any firewire only recorder that can record 1920x1080, 422@50mb+? If not we're discussing backing up to an inferior format: once more, not something I would consider an omission on Canon's part, though I guess if someone has a legacy device this may be handy as an emergency backup. Back to your comment, "Get with it CANON!" rather speaks for itself. Yes, the large sensor cameras are getting people excited at the moment (I bought a 5DII the moment they came out so I'm not immune to the buzz), but that doesn't make the XF any less relevant; these cameras are built for a specific market to do specific work. They serve this purpose very well indeed.

January 6th, 2011, 11:55 AM	#27
Omar Torresola New Boot Join Date: May 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 18	I was expecting its price to drop near the $5500 line by now.

January 6th, 2011, 01:15 PM	#29
Omar Torresola New Boot Join Date: May 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 18	Canon has rebates for other products like lenses. I'm thinking of a promotion; not permanently.