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Oliver Horn June 21st, 2010 01:56 PM

New Canon lens, daft question...
 
Does anybody know/care to guess whether the lens will be parfocal? Since I started using my EX1, I can't imagine ever going back to a lens that isn't.
Regards,
Oliver.

Steve Phillipps June 21st, 2010 02:18 PM

I'm sure it will be. It looks like the lens is going to be one of the big selling points (as you'd expect from Canon).
Steve

John Wiley June 21st, 2010 11:04 PM

Most camcorder lenses are parfocal. I've never used a camcorder that didn't have a parfocal lens. Most people who've got into videogpraphy recently (in the past 15 years) wouldn't even know about or be concerned with the differences between parfocal and varifocal lenses if it wasn't for the whole DSLR video movement.

Sony has had big problems recently with their lenses in some of their cameras and it seems as though every prosusmer camera they release lately is having back focus problems. The extensiveness and severity of this problem shows just how disastrous the effect of not having a parfocal lens is on even a professional videographers image - so many people were caught out by the faulty cameras (which were, due to the problems, behaving similar to varifocal lenses) and ended up with unnacceptable footage becuase they expect and assume that all video lenses are parfocal. I can only image the storm that would've ensued if they'd taken their faulty cameras back to Sony and they'd replied "There's nothing wrong with it, it just isn't a parfocal lens. Did we forget to mention that?" Instead they have honoured the warranty in most cases and adjusted the lenses so they work as they are designed to - as proper parfocal lenses (in fact they fixed my 2-year old, out of warranty FX7 free because they were well aware of the problem)

Oliver Horn June 30th, 2010 04:08 PM

Servo zoom only?!?!?!
 
Having downloaded the manual (page 77), it seems that even though the focus has end stops, the zoom is still a servo controlled one either in ring or rocker mode. Please tell me I'm wrong! If you're going to make a decent manual focus lens, at least give us proper manul zoom too!
Oliver.

Jim Martin June 30th, 2010 04:53 PM

Oliver-
It is either a manual or servo.......in other words, you turn it on to manual with hard stops and read outs or turn it off and its a servo with no stops or read outs......kinda cool how the read out appears and disappears....

Jim Martin
FilmTools.com

Oliver Horn July 1st, 2010 11:42 AM

Thanks Jim. Just to clarify, the ZOOM has hard stops as well as the focus?
I'm so used to flicking my EX1 zoom to max, focusing and zooming back out that I can't imagine having to power zoom every time I want to focus!
Regards,
Oliver.

Jim Martin July 1st, 2010 12:38 PM

You are correct sir.....

Jonathan Levin July 2nd, 2010 01:04 PM

OK, I'm stumped and know a bunch of film/video/photo terms, but what the heck is parfocal???

(Or maybe I just forgot)

Andy Wilkinson July 2nd, 2010 02:12 PM

Parfocal
 
Parfocal lens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jonathan Levin July 3rd, 2010 12:16 AM

Thanks Andy.

John Wiley July 5th, 2010 05:45 AM

For the benifit of those who are too lazy to follow the link to wikipedia:

A parfocal lens is one which holds focus throughout the entire zoom range.

With these lenses you can attain proper focus by zooming in as far as possible, focusing on your subject, then zooming back out to the desired framing. Pretty much all video lenses are parfocal and some still lenses are too.

The opposite of parfocal is varifocal. These lenses will have a shift in focus when you zoom, so any change in zoom means you need to re-adjust your focus as well.

Jonathan Levin July 6th, 2010 01:19 PM

John,

I wasn't even aware that anyone even made anything other than a "parfocal" lenses. On old super 8 and 16mm cameras, the focus was always done at full zoom, then reframed to desired zoom for best focus. Even with my still camera zooms I tend to always full zoom, focus, re-frame.

Jonathan

Steve Phillipps July 6th, 2010 02:30 PM

It's stills lenses that tend not to be parfocal. Often the depth of field can hide focus shifts as of course it gets massively bigger the wider you go. I'd be quite surprised if ANY stills lens holds focus even close to perfectly. This why companies like Century have in the past rebuilt lenses with entirely new bodies (ie the Canon 150-600) to enable them to hold focus for movie use.
Steve


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