HDV Deck compatible with A1 "frame" recording

Bill Edmunds · December 27th, 2006, 10:48 AM

What kind of deck do you use to feed an NLE if you shoot in 30f/24f? The interlaced Sony HDV decks or the progressive JVC HDV deck?

Chris Hurd · December 27th, 2006, 11:33 AM

Neither. Use the Canon HV10 consumer HV10 camcorder as a playback deck. It's the only thing other than an XL H1 or XH A1 / G1 that can play back 24F or 30F video. There's about a dozen threads about this already, so look to those discussions for the specific details. Hope this helps,

Michael Mann · January 3rd, 2007, 10:39 AM

I am planning to capture my A1 footage using the HV10 as playback "deck". Are there any objections against this?

Stu Siegal · January 3rd, 2007, 11:04 AM

It seems to be the standard workflow. Just got my hv10, it's a great little cam and pretty robust as a feeder deck (tested sd dv material ingested into FCP). My A1 is on its way, so I haven't done it first hand, but I did my homework and many people use it as a feeder deck for the A1, which seems to be Canon's intent, as it does play out Canon's 24f format, though it will not shoot in it.

Chris Hurd · January 3rd, 2007, 11:39 AM

It plays Frame mode and supports 4-channel audio playback as well. As has been stated on this forum numerous times already, it's the closest thing to a feeder deck that you can get.

Michael Y Wong · January 5th, 2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu Siegal

... which seems to be Canon's intent, as it does play out Canon's 24f format, though it will not shoot in it.

WOW!!! It plays it but doesn't shoot in 24f... now that is brilliant of them imo. For significantely less then the cost of an HDV deck, you have a 24F deck that doubles as a killer b-roll/b-cam/vacation cam. *Slowly releasing the grip of my beloved HC1*... :)

Kholi Hicks · January 5th, 2007, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Y Wong

WOW!!! It plays it but doesn't shoot in 24f... now that is brilliant of them imo. For significantely less then the cost of an HDV deck, you have a 24F deck that doubles as a killer b-roll/b-cam/vacation cam. *Slowly releasing the grip of my beloved HC1*... :)

I'm still wondering about how mastering an entire short/feature back to tape and playing the content via Component out would fair. I mean, you'd literally be playing back the project via a Hi-Def signal, right?

Michael Y Wong · January 5th, 2007, 07:48 PM

^^

Yes and imo it looks killer in 1080i. One of the first things EVERYONE says when wathcing one of my finshsed products in 1080i is 'LOOK @ THE QUALITY'!

Of cousre I keep my workflow simple and NEVER go beyond 1 generation of degradation.

Peter Ferling · January 5th, 2007, 11:46 PM

Works fine as a deck for my G1. I just shot some stuff today, and was happy not having to break down the cam to capture. Just grabbed the tape and headed to the edit bay. The HV10's small footprint on my crowded desk was a blessing as well. Taking up no more space than and empty big mac container... maybe I should clean up around here... nah.

Marty Hudzik · January 6th, 2007, 08:39 AM

So most of you are having good luck with this little guy? I know the theoretical abililities of it, but in my short experience the unit was unstable for capturing. What I mean is it would stop playing a lot. I had 2 one hour long tapes to capture and I would leave the room 10 minutes into a capture and come back and it would have mysteriously stopped completely. The capture app (Cineform HDlink) was still running and waiting for a bitstream but the camera was stopped. I couldn't get more than 10-12 monites to capture without it stopping.This happened repeatedly for 3-4 hours until I finally decided to capture with the A1, which worked flawlessly.

I ended up going back to an XL-H1 so I had to return the A1 and HV10.

I am still on the fence about getting another HV-10 because of this. But it sounds promising that you are all having success. Maybe I just had a bad one.

Peace!

Gary Barr · February 13th, 2007, 03:23 PM

yeah Marty, mine did this too yesterday whilst playing out to a DVD burner - just stopped for no reason every so often. and it didn't do it every time either, what could this be? has anyone else had this?

Eric Hansen · February 13th, 2007, 04:07 PM

I'm gonna wait for the HV20. It will be able to shoot 24p.

Bryan Harley · March 24th, 2007, 06:43 PM

We're looking to buy an A1, but are there any HDV decks that work with it completely right now (in both 60i, 24f, 30f)? I haven't found any yet. I see four potential options right now...

1. Just use the A1 as a deck. Disadvantage: wears out heads.

2. Buy a HV20 and use it as a deck instead. Not an ideal work environment, but I'd have a small, compact B-camera. $1099.

3. Buy the FireStore FS-C. Recognizes and records 60i, 30f, 24f video, correct? At least it will with the 2.1 firmware upgrade. Advantage: Tape-less work-flow. No capturing. $1249 for 60GB (4.5 hours of HDV).

4. Buy Sony's HVR-M15U deck for $1799. It will capture 60i, not 24f or 30f. Buy some other deck that's out there that works with 24f and 30f, and I just don't know about it? Or are there none?

Does this all sound correct? Are there any other options?

Chris Hurd · March 24th, 2007, 09:40 PM

Frequently asked, Bryan. Please refer to several other existing threads which already discuss this exact topic, and post any replies to those specific threads. Many people choose option #2.

Ario Damghani · May 4th, 2007, 02:38 PM

I plan to shoot about 50 hours of tape, is it okay to use my A1 as a VCR for video capture, or should I invest in a seperate cam? I can't afford a tape deck, but I was wondering if the Canon HV20 is a good VCR cam for the A1? Will it be able to handle the stream without dropping frames?

Thanks

December 27th, 2006, 10:48 AM	#46
Bill Edmunds Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Conway, NH Posts: 574	24f/30f: do you need a special deck to play this? What kind of deck do you use to feed an NLE if you shoot in 30f/24f? The interlaced Sony HDV decks or the progressive JVC HDV deck?

December 27th, 2006, 11:33 AM	#47
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Neither. Use the Canon HV10 consumer HV10 camcorder as a playback deck. It's the only thing other than an XL H1 or XH A1 / G1 that can play back 24F or 30F video. There's about a dozen threads about this already, so look to those discussions for the specific details. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 3rd, 2007, 10:39 AM	#48
Michael Mann Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kelkheim, Germany Posts: 375	Capturing A1 footage with HV10? I am planning to capture my A1 footage using the HV10 as playback "deck". Are there any objections against this? __________________ Michael

January 3rd, 2007, 11:39 AM	#50
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	It plays Frame mode and supports 4-channel audio playback as well. As has been stated on this forum numerous times already, it's the closest thing to a feeder deck that you can get. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 5th, 2007, 07:48 PM	#53
Michael Y Wong Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada! Posts: 353	^^ Yes and imo it looks killer in 1080i. One of the first things EVERYONE says when wathcing one of my finshsed products in 1080i is 'LOOK @ THE QUALITY'! Of cousre I keep my workflow simple and NEVER go beyond 1 generation of degradation. __________________ dreaming hobbyist + storyteller www.michaelywong.com

January 3rd, 2007, 11:04 AM	#49
Stu Siegal Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 151	It seems to be the standard workflow. Just got my hv10, it's a great little cam and pretty robust as a feeder deck (tested sd dv material ingested into FCP). My A1 is on its way, so I haven't done it first hand, but I did my homework and many people use it as a feeder deck for the A1, which seems to be Canon's intent, as it does play out Canon's 24f format, though it will not shoot in it.

January 5th, 2007, 11:46 PM	#54
Peter Ferling Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wyomissing, PA Posts: 1,141 Images: 57	Works fine as a deck for my G1. I just shot some stuff today, and was happy not having to break down the cam to capture. Just grabbed the tape and headed to the edit bay. The HV10's small footprint on my crowded desk was a blessing as well. Taking up no more space than and empty big mac container... maybe I should clean up around here... nah.

January 6th, 2007, 08:39 AM	#55
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	So most of you are having good luck with this little guy? I know the theoretical abililities of it, but in my short experience the unit was unstable for capturing. What I mean is it would stop playing a lot. I had 2 one hour long tapes to capture and I would leave the room 10 minutes into a capture and come back and it would have mysteriously stopped completely. The capture app (Cineform HDlink) was still running and waiting for a bitstream but the camera was stopped. I couldn't get more than 10-12 monites to capture without it stopping.This happened repeatedly for 3-4 hours until I finally decided to capture with the A1, which worked flawlessly. I ended up going back to an XL-H1 so I had to return the A1 and HV10. I am still on the fence about getting another HV-10 because of this. But it sounds promising that you are all having success. Maybe I just had a bad one. Peace!

February 13th, 2007, 03:23 PM	#56
Gary Barr Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 186	yeah Marty, mine did this too yesterday whilst playing out to a DVD burner - just stopped for no reason every so often. and it didn't do it every time either, what could this be? has anyone else had this?

February 13th, 2007, 04:07 PM	#57
Eric Hansen Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Eagle Mountain, Utah Posts: 97	I'm gonna wait for the HV20. It will be able to shoot 24p.

March 24th, 2007, 06:43 PM	#58
Bryan Harley Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 99	Any HDV decks work with A1? We're looking to buy an A1, but are there any HDV decks that work with it completely right now (in both 60i, 24f, 30f)? I haven't found any yet. I see four potential options right now... 1. Just use the A1 as a deck. Disadvantage: wears out heads. 2. Buy a HV20 and use it as a deck instead. Not an ideal work environment, but I'd have a small, compact B-camera. $1099. 3. Buy the FireStore FS-C. Recognizes and records 60i, 30f, 24f video, correct? At least it will with the 2.1 firmware upgrade. Advantage: Tape-less work-flow. No capturing. $1249 for 60GB (4.5 hours of HDV). 4. Buy Sony's HVR-M15U deck for $1799. It will capture 60i, not 24f or 30f. Buy some other deck that's out there that works with 24f and 30f, and I just don't know about it? Or are there none? Does this all sound correct? Are there any other options? __________________ "Who's scruffy lookin'?" http://www.amfproductions.com

March 24th, 2007, 09:40 PM	#59
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Frequently asked, Bryan. Please refer to several other existing threads which already discuss this exact topic, and post any replies to those specific threads. Many people choose option #2. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 4th, 2007, 02:38 PM	#60
Ario Damghani Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 25	Best Cheap HDV cam to use as A1 VCR? I plan to shoot about 50 hours of tape, is it okay to use my A1 as a VCR for video capture, or should I invest in a seperate cam? I can't afford a tape deck, but I was wondering if the Canon HV20 is a good VCR cam for the A1? Will it be able to handle the stream without dropping frames? Thanks