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Old July 27th, 2006, 07:03 PM   #1
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HDV Deck compatible with A1 "frame" recording

Canon VTR?

Has there been any mention or inkling of a VTR which can handle Canon's Frame Mode? I would never use my camera as a VTR regularly, especially not at a 4K price point.

So? Anything?

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Old July 31st, 2006, 12:14 PM   #2
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re: Decks and editing --

Will the new cameras work with Final Cut for capture (at least for 1080i60)?

Will the Sony decks work with 1080i60 tape from the new Canon?

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Old July 31st, 2006, 02:10 PM   #3
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Will the Sony decks work with 1080i60 tape from the new Canon?
The Sony HVR-M10, M15 and M25? Yes for 1080i60. No for 30F and 24F (Canon Frame mode).
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 08:14 AM   #4
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Here's your Canon Frame mode playback deck:

http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/canon/hv10overview.php

Cost is $1300. Includes a lens; doubles as a camcorder.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 08:27 AM   #5
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Wow! A deck that shoots video! :)

That 'deck' is smaller than mine.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 09:01 AM   #6
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Here's your Canon Frame mode playback deck:

http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/canon/hv10overview.php

Cost is $1300. Includes a lens; doubles as a camcorder.
Wow, curious, as to how this steps up compared to the Sony HC1/A1/HC3 cameras.

Looks like Canon, will be putting some heat on Sony this year.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 04:46 PM   #7
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Here's your Canon Frame mode playback deck:

http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/canon/hv10overview.php

Cost is $1300. Includes a lens; doubles as a camcorder.
Chris:

Do you think this will this work as a deck too with standard HDV playback from a Sony cam like the FX1 ?

Also:

"Imagine a possible application of this CMOS sensor in the near future. What if Canon were to produce a successor to their flagship XL H1 with three of these CMOS chips at its core? Give it embedded audio and Time Code with uncompressed High Definition video in its SDI output jack, an XL-mount lens equipped with Instant AF, and custom function and display settings, and you'd have quite an HDV camcorder."

So this kind of answers a question I had in another thread about 3CMOS technology potentials yesterday. Thanks.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 04:57 PM   #8
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Chris, the only drawback I can see with using the HV10 as a playback deck for Sony HDV camcorders like the FX1 is that I doubt very highly that it will support Sony's CineFrame mode for 24fps, 25fps and 30fps recording. The HV10 wouldn't know what to do with that video. Just a theory though. I'll try to get a answer for certain on that.
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I'd pay 2 grand for a VTR if it included a large enough hard drive so I could run copies of tape without using my camera and for the cost of these decks I'm shocked they don't already have at a minimum 250gig internal drives anyway as it seems like a no brainer.
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Actually I think cineframe should be fine. Cineframe is just the way the video is sampled. It still gets thrown into a 60i video stream even though both fields are the same. As far as I know a Canon camera should have no problems reading it as a 60i stream.

24F and 30F have issues because they are not a 60i mpeg2 stream but a true progressive mpeg2 video at a true 24p or 30p. Other decks cannot read this form of mpeg2 because they only know how to read 60i.
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"Imagine a possible application of this CMOS sensor in the near future. What if Canon were to produce a successor to their flagship XL H1 with three of these CMOS chips at its core? Give it embedded audio and Time Code with uncompressed High Definition video in its SDI output jack, an XL-mount lens equipped with Instant AF, and custom function and display settings, and you'd have quite an HDV camcorder."


Yum. And then if Canon just had a new codec! Or is "raw" output to HD-SDI considered a "codec"?

HDV has reached it's limits. Other companies are going past the limits of HDV. What does Canon do?

How about licensing cineform raw and using it as an acquisition codec? Don't most NLE's support it? Or is this jes crazy talk?

Just thinking.... A 3 chip 2/3 OS XL with a cineform codec.....
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Or is "raw" output to HD-SDI considered a "codec"?
Not a codec but it is a standard... SMPTE 299M.
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Old December 10th, 2006, 11:23 AM   #13
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Editing deck for A1

This may have been discussed before but thought I'd see if there is any new information. Are A1 owners limited to using an HV10 as an editing deck? If so, this option will not help me choose the A1 for our HD upgrade.

I go back to the days when I used an Elura 2MC as an editing deck for GL2 work. Captured video often had audio drop-outs and pixelization. When I upgraded to Sony PD-170s, I also got the DSR-11. Results were dramatic with zero audio dropouts and only rare video anomalies.

Are there any dedicated, robust editing decks for the Canon HD cameras?
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Old December 10th, 2006, 11:36 AM   #14
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Sony decks work fine for 1080i60. No go for 24f, of course.
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Old December 10th, 2006, 02:13 PM   #15
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The HV10 can be used as a deck, but it is fairly unprofessional to not have a real deck. I wish someone could make a firmware hack for sony decks, or perhaps Canon could release a real deck with HDMI out, and component in/out.
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