Firewire to USB blues....Help Please? at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Canon EOS / MXF / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Canon HDV and DV Camera Systems > Canon XH Series HDV Camcorders

Canon XH Series HDV Camcorders
Canon XH G1S / G1 (with SDI), Canon XH A1S / A1 (without SDI).


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old October 2nd, 2011, 10:11 PM   #1
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Orange County, California
Posts: 179
Firewire to USB blues....Help Please?

Hey everybody, I use my XHA1 to shoot and a HV30 to capture. All was great until I got a new desktop and it has no firewore port, only USB ports.

Is there an adapter to convert the firewire cable to USB? Or

Can I use the HDMI output on the camera to capture if the PC has a HDMI port?

Are there any other options? Someone told me IOGear has a tower adapter but I can not find this Googling or otherwise so could really use a hand here.

Thanks in advance for the help
__________________
www.socalt.com
Tim Cee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 2nd, 2011, 10:24 PM   #2
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Kanto Plain (関東平野), Japan
Posts: 805
Re: Firewire to USB blues....Help Please?

Never seen a firewire to USB adapter.
Since it's a desktop computer, you can add firewire ports by buying a PCI card.

As an example, there's this one for $25 at B&H.

Belkin 3-Port FireWire-400 PCI Host Card F5U503V B&H Photo Video

Mark
Mark Watson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 2nd, 2011, 10:27 PM   #3
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Orange County, California
Posts: 179
Re: Firewire to USB blues....Help Please?

Thanks Mark but not into opening the new desktop or too savy about installing this card, is capture via HDMI possible?

Any other sollutions please?
__________________
www.socalt.com
Tim Cee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 2nd, 2011, 10:40 PM   #4
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Kanto Plain (関東平野), Japan
Posts: 805
Re: Firewire to USB blues....Help Please?

All my computers with HDMI list this port as an output, not as an input. So I have assumed trying to pipe in some HDMI will not work. As far as an adapter, I don't think so. The firewire is sort of unique in its handling of video info in that it is rated as 400MB/s but effectively it is faster at moving the info than USB due to low overhead in the data transmission. (It's efficient). Does your machine have USB 3 ports?

If you're worried about opening the case due to warranty, that's your call but then think about returning it for a machine with the ports you need already built in.

As far as the actual installation of the card, just make sure (1) you have an available PCI card slot and (2) make sure the card you buy has drivers for whatever OS you're using, such as Windows 7. The rest is gravy, open the case, plug in the card load any drivers (if necessary) and start capturing. Remember to turn off your camera before you connect or disconnect the firewire cable.

Mark
Mark Watson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 3rd, 2011, 12:34 AM   #5
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Rossland, British Columbia
Posts: 966
Re: Firewire to USB blues....Help Please?

Only thing i can think of Tim is something like this.
Studio MovieBox HD
That should get you from your firewire to the computer via USB. I had been looking into one also as my new laptop has no firewire.

Regards,

Bryce
__________________
There's never enough hours in the day!
Bryce Comer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 3rd, 2011, 09:40 AM   #6
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 4,294
Re: Firewire to USB blues....Help Please?

What type/make/model Desktop do you have without a IEEE1394 (aka iLink or Firewire) port on it?

Best bet is to add a IEEE 1394 card to it. Just google a bit to be sure the card works with your camcorders. Some use a chip that is a but fussy with video and/or current Windows drivers.

Adding a card is not difficult, and I suspect the box houses (e.g., Best Buy) would do it at a nomibnal cost.

If you have a laptop with PCMCIA slot, you should beable find IEEE 1394 adapters for it.

HDMI capture is not common on PC,s but you can buy adapters - not cheap.

I've not heard of simple Firewire to USB adapters suitable for video capture, and would avoid simple (low cost) solutions as potentially risky. Some NLE came with USB-connected break-out boxes that incldue a firewire port on the box, but they are not cheap. Often they may require you to use their editing program for the capture. If your PC is reasonably main-stream and has a users group forum, see what folks are using there and with what degree of success.

What NLE are yo using?
__________________
dpalomaki@dspalomaki.com
Don Palomaki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 3rd, 2011, 09:55 AM   #7
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Orange County, California
Posts: 179
Re: Firewire to USB blues....Help Please?

The new system is a Dell XPS 8300 with Win 7 64 bit, Intel 7 processor, 12 GB ram. My NLE is Sony Vegas Pro 10

Thanks for the help, any ideas are appreciated greatly!
__________________
www.socalt.com
Tim Cee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 3rd, 2011, 07:32 PM   #8
Major Player
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Noosa Queensland Australia
Posts: 236
Re: Firewire to USB blues....Help Please?

Come on Tim. You can do it mate. Buy a Firewire card and plonk it in.
If you don't think you're up for it, get the next door neighbour's 15 year old spotty faced kid to do it for you. :)
Bill Watson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 4th, 2011, 02:41 AM   #9
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Hampshire, UK
Posts: 2,205
Re: Firewire to USB blues....Help Please?

I echo other people's sentimenets, DIY! Look it up on YouTube - there are loads of tutorials like this one: Firewire Installation - YouTube

If you're still not comfortable (and there's no shame in that) why not take it to your local PC shop and get them to install a card for you?

>>>Note: When I posted this a few seconds ago I completely forgot that the solution I mentioned needs a firewire port on the pc in order for it to work! I completely forgot that in my case the device was plugged into a second firewire port at the rear of my pc. I've removed that part of the post but left up the remaining (hopefully useful!) part!

Last edited by Ian Stark; October 4th, 2011 at 02:46 AM. Reason: Utter stupidity
Ian Stark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 4th, 2011, 06:42 AM   #10
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 4,294
Re: Firewire to USB blues....Help Please?

If you can check the oil in your car, you should be able to add a firewire card to the PC.

Newegg.com - Computer Hardware, Input Devices, Add-On Cards, PCI Express to 1394 Card

First feedback on the $22 Rosewill RC-504 card reads:
Rating: 5/5 Fantastic!
Pros: Bought this for my new Dell XPS 8300 (which was advertised as having a firewire port). Took it out of the box, popped it in, turned the computer on...plug and play..nothing else needed. Plugged my digital video camera in and it worked perfectly. Absolutely no complaints...I wish everything in life was that easy!
Cons: None whatsoever.

[However, I have no personal experience with that card or model DELL.]
__________________
dpalomaki@dspalomaki.com
Don Palomaki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 4th, 2011, 08:07 AM   #11
Obstreperous Rex
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: San Marcos, TX
Posts: 26,900
Images: 513
Re: Firewire to USB blues....Help Please?

It's understandable that a person who might never have opened a computer case before would have some reservation about doing it for the first time, but it is indeed a very simple procedure to do. Literally all it involves is removing a panel from the case with a screwdriver. Some computer cases don't even require a screwdriver. Then it's just a matter of physically plugging in the new card into an open slot. There are plenty of video tutorials on the web about this, and if you watch any of them you'll say "oh, I can do that."
__________________
CH

Search DV Info Net | DV Info Net Sponsors | A Decade (+5) of DVi | ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!
Chris Hurd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 8th, 2011, 08:55 AM   #12
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Orange County, California
Posts: 179
Re: Firewire to USB blues....Help Please?

Thanks everyone, I bought a card and will do it myself based on your input. I want to thank everyone for the advice and input, it's why I made DVI home.
__________________
www.socalt.com
Tim Cee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 8th, 2011, 12:03 PM   #13
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Hampshire, UK
Posts: 2,205
Re: Firewire to USB blues....Help Please?

Good man! You'll be building your own PCs from components in no time! ;-)

Best of luck Tim, although you won't need any.
Ian Stark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 10th, 2011, 01:06 AM   #14
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Apple Valley CA
Posts: 4,866
Re: Firewire to USB blues....Help Please?

FWIW, I taught my kids to do this sort of basic computer stuff... they've been able to use a screwdriver since 18 months... it's not too hard.

You're in the OC, so should have a nearby Fry's (cheap source for computer everything), pick up a card, pop the side cover off the case, stick the card in any available PCI slot, and when you turn it on, most likely the drivers will install themselves and you're in business!
Dave Blackhurst is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Canon EOS / MXF / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Canon HDV and DV Camera Systems > Canon XH Series HDV Camcorders

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:12 PM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network