How to set up a firmware update wishlist?

Holly Rognan · January 6th, 2007, 07:08 PM

I discovered another small problem that I would like fixed, or added to firmware. In the Custom Functionality settings under 04 "Buttons operation" there isn't a setting for the "end play" button (the last one under disp. and peaking), to allow for a long push like the magn and wb sett, exp. lock and AF settings.

I have found that I bump this button on occasion and I have lost a few shots during a run and gun session because it takes like tens seconds or so to cycle the last recorded stuff on tape.

I would definately like this added to firmware.

Also another idea is to allow the "photo" buttons to be used as a possible custom preset button (for OIS and XLR audio setting toggling) This isn't a huge deal but I would use an OIS toggle more than I take photos. This is just a thought.

Matthew Nayman · January 7th, 2007, 12:16 AM

Image flip, either on CCD or LCD would be awsome.

Michael Mann · January 7th, 2007, 03:17 AM

Here we go, latest update of our growing wish list:

- fix: focus pulsing during zooms (if fixable by firmware)
- OIS mappable to custom key
- XLR/ camera mics mappable to custom key
- 1/50th default shutter speed in 25F
- Remember the previous selected shutter speed
- Exposure lock acts as 'Push auto exposure' in Manual mode
- Soft clipping / limiter in manual audio mode
- Peaking and zebra together
- Magnification that works during recording
- Exposure override via iris ring in TV mode
- Custom presets select via shutter scroll wheel
- Image flip on LCD
- Image flip on CCD
- Exposure lock disables AGC adjustments
- Improvements of NR1, NR2
- Additional stop(s) between 1/25 and 1/50 (1/33 and/or 1/40)
- Intermediate steps in gain
- Remaining battery time in real minutes
- Improvement of the "night" mode
- Conversion 50i to 25f (playback)
- setting for "end play" button to allow for a long push
- white balance settings below 2800 K
- photo buttons to be used as a possible custom preset button

In case I forgot wishes, simply copy list and add.

Jay Stebbins · January 7th, 2007, 08:07 AM

It would be nice if they made it so we could reuse the AGC button as a OIS button. It would be a great option for the pro user...

Raymond Toussaint · January 7th, 2007, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Mann

- fix: focus pulsing during zooms (if fixable by firmware)

- removed focus pulsing during zooms
Why? Its on the forum for a long time and only 1 person really sees it as a problem (Michael) not those other hunderd users. (almost 4.000 views) The pulsing is shown to Canon and they say it is not fixable by software, it is not a problem at all.

I say, it is the speediest autofocus system I 've seen in the HDV cams, if you do not like the speed puls from the two-way AF system you can turn the system to manual, or you set it to normal AF 1 system behavior. All together: it belongs not on the firmware list.

FIRMWARE UPDATE LIST
- OIS mappable to custom key
- XLR/ camera mics mappable to custom key
- 1/50th default shutter speed in 25F
- Remember the previous selected shutter speed
- Exposure lock acts as 'Push auto exposure' in Manual mode
- Soft clipping / limiter in manual audio mode
- Peaking and zebra together
- Magnification that works during recording
- Exposure override via iris ring in TV mode
- Custom presets select via shutter scroll wheel
- Image flip on LCD
- Image flip on CCD
- Exposure lock disables AGC adjustments
- Improvements of NR1, NR2
- Additional stop(s) between 1/25 and 1/50 (1/33 and/or 1/40)
- Intermediate steps in gain
- Remaining battery time in real minutes
- Improvement of the "night" mode
- Conversion 50i to 25f (playback)
- setting for "end play" button to allow for a long push
- white balance settings below 2800 K
- photo buttons to be used as a possible custom preset button

Michael Mann · January 7th, 2007, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond Toussaint

I say, it is the speediest autofocus system I 've seen in the HDV cams, if you do not like the speed puls from the two-way AF system you can turn the system to manual ...

Raymond, that has never been the question.

Fact is that all discussing users have seen focus pulsing during AF zooms. That means you practicably can't zoom with AF switched on, unless you want your focus bounce back and forth. This is not what one would accept of any AF system. So I call this plainly a AF malfunction, not more, not less.

But: Nobody is forced to see this as a problem.

Alex Leith · January 7th, 2007, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond Toussaint

- removed focus pulsing during zooms
Why? Its on the forum for a long time and only 1 person really sees it as a problem (Michael) not those other hunderd users. (almost 4.000 views) The pulsing is shown to Canon and they say it is not fixable by software, it is not a problem at all.

Although this is not the place for this discussion I just want to clarify that Michael is not the only person who is seeing this problem. Several people have confirmed that their cameras display this issue (i've had two with this).

The pulsing artefact happens at 3x per second when zooming into a static target. It happens in both AF and IAF. This is not the focus rapidly adjusting. It is not behaviour you would normally expect from an AF system.

Canon did not say it was "not a problem". Canon just said that it was not likely to be fixed by a firmware update.

Just because it doesn't happen to interfere with the way you work has nothing to do with whether it is a defect or an acceptable "quirk" of the camera.

Michael has been very positive about the camera in general, and has been keen to learn how to work around this problem.

Seeing as you cannot zoom and focus at the same time, perhaps disabling AF during zooms in firmware is not an unreasonable suggestion.

Stu Siegal · January 7th, 2007, 04:49 PM

Just capturing my first day's test, here's another one I'd like to emphatically add to the list.

Ability for custom preset to be displayed on screen by name, as opposed to just number! Impossible to remember which is which by number alone, especially with the potential for so many presets. The on-screen cp display would probably need to be moved to the lower left on the screen in order to do this.

The amount of presets on this cam are awsome, this would make them much more manageable in the field.

Bill Busby · January 7th, 2007, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu Siegal

Ability for custom preset to be displayed on screen by name, as opposed to just number!

I totally agree!

Holly Rognan · January 7th, 2007, 05:50 PM

Definately agreed to the custom presets being dispayed by name.

Also, I never intend to use the AWB switch and that would be great for possibly allocating an OIS Switch or XLR mic to onboard mic in place.

Raymond Toussaint · January 7th, 2007, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Leith

Although this is not the place for this discussion I just want to clarify that Michael is not the only person who is seeing this problem. Several people have confirmed that their cameras display this issue (i've had two with this).

Alex, reading the whole thread. One person sees it,you confirm some of it, later you say its solved, one other person (after intense searching and looking) thinks maybe he sees something. That's it.

No one on other boards sees it, not on dvxuser, I don't see it (other than normal AF behavior.) It's an 1 or 2 person issue, with HUGE continuing postings with almost no followers. You and Michael gave it much attention already. It's a non issue, and certainly do not belong in the update list.

Michael Mann · January 8th, 2007, 03:01 AM

Raymond, no offense, but there are at least 4 users in this forum who have noticed this focus pulsing or have confirmed it (Alex Leigh, Tom Roper, Gabor Tarnok and me). In addition Canon Service has confirmed it! Watch for yourself: http://www.filefactory.com/f/f5656740836b15ad/.

It's fine (and that's no irony!) that you don't notice this focus pulsing. But please accept that others don't make this thing up - and that some may consider it as an issue or even a problem. Please be tolerant - thank you!

Michael Mann · January 8th, 2007, 04:45 AM

Latest update of our wishlist:
(Position in list does not correspond to importance of wish. The result of our final poll will indicate the average importance of each wish.)

- OIS mappable to custom key
- XLR/ camera mics mappable to custom key
- 1/50th default shutter speed in 25F
- Remember the previous selected shutter speed
- Exposure lock acts as 'Push auto exposure' in Manual mode
- Soft clipping / limiter in manual audio mode
- Peaking and zebra together
- Magnification that works during recording
- Exposure override via iris ring in TV mode
- Custom presets select via shutter scroll wheel
- Image flip on LCD
- Image flip on CCD
- Exposure lock disables AGC adjustments
- Improvements of NR1, NR2
- Additional stop(s) between 1/25 and 1/50 (1/33 and/or 1/40)
- Intermediate steps in gain
- Remaining battery time in real minutes
- Improvement of the "night" mode
- Conversion 50i to 25f (playback)
- setting for "end play" button to allow for a long push
- white balance settings below 2800 K
- photo buttons to be used as a possible custom preset button
- option to disable AF during zooms (to prevent focus pulsing when filming in AF)
- ability for custom preset to be displayed on screen by name (as opposed to just number)
- option to allocate AWB switch as OIS Switch or XLR mic / onboard mic switch

Anything else? We're still collecting.

Holly Rognan · January 9th, 2007, 01:12 AM

These all sound great to me; I wonder, however, how realistic it is that Canon will fix them in a firmware update. It seems more likely that they will add them to the next revision of the camcorder (At least that is what Panasonic would do.)

Canon in the past has been known to do various enhancements to products via firmware, and I am hoping that they actually look at this with a desire for change.

Wouldn't they have to reprint manuals and change some of the text on the camcorders to do all of these revisions? I would like all of the requests, but some requests I don't think Canon wil change, regardless of how easy it would be to implement in the firmware.

FINGERS CROSSED!

Alex Leith · January 9th, 2007, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holly Rognan

These all sound great to me; I wonder, however, how realistic it is that Canon will fix them in a firmware update.

They might. They might not. But if we don't ask we definately don't get.

I hadn't really though about all the other elements that were needed as a concequence (like revising the manuals) - although they could add a quick sheet simply listing enhancements (like an addenda).

January 7th, 2007, 03:17 AM	#48
Michael Mann Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kelkheim, Germany Posts: 375	Here we go, latest update of our growing wish list: - fix: focus pulsing during zooms (if fixable by firmware) - OIS mappable to custom key - XLR/ camera mics mappable to custom key - 1/50th default shutter speed in 25F - Remember the previous selected shutter speed - Exposure lock acts as 'Push auto exposure' in Manual mode - Soft clipping / limiter in manual audio mode - Peaking and zebra together - Magnification that works during recording - Exposure override via iris ring in TV mode - Custom presets select via shutter scroll wheel - Image flip on LCD - Image flip on CCD - Exposure lock disables AGC adjustments - Improvements of NR1, NR2 - Additional stop(s) between 1/25 and 1/50 (1/33 and/or 1/40) - Intermediate steps in gain - Remaining battery time in real minutes - Improvement of the "night" mode - Conversion 50i to 25f (playback) - setting for "end play" button to allow for a long push - white balance settings below 2800 K - photo buttons to be used as a possible custom preset button In case I forgot wishes, simply copy list and add. __________________ Michael

January 7th, 2007, 08:07 AM	#49
Jay Stebbins Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Nantucket MA Posts: 82	It would be nice if they made it so we could reuse the AGC button as a OIS button. It would be a great option for the pro user... __________________ Dual 2.7 G5 HV-20, and vacillating between another A1 or the HVX-200

January 7th, 2007, 04:49 PM	#53
Stu Siegal Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 151	Just capturing my first day's test, here's another one I'd like to emphatically add to the list. Ability for custom preset to be displayed on screen by name, as opposed to just number! Impossible to remember which is which by number alone, especially with the potential for so many presets. The on-screen cp display would probably need to be moved to the lower left on the screen in order to do this. The amount of presets on this cam are awsome, this would make them much more manageable in the field. Last edited by Stu Siegal; January 7th, 2007 at 05:32 PM.

January 8th, 2007, 03:01 AM	#57
Michael Mann Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kelkheim, Germany Posts: 375	Raymond, no offense, but there are at least 4 users in this forum who have noticed this focus pulsing or have confirmed it (Alex Leigh, Tom Roper, Gabor Tarnok and me). In addition Canon Service has confirmed it! Watch for yourself: http://www.filefactory.com/f/f5656740836b15ad/. It's fine (and that's no irony!) that you don't notice this focus pulsing. But please accept that others don't make this thing up - and that some may consider it as an issue or even a problem. Please be tolerant - thank you! __________________ Michael Last edited by Michael Mann; January 8th, 2007 at 05:52 AM.

January 8th, 2007, 04:45 AM	#58
Michael Mann Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kelkheim, Germany Posts: 375	Latest update of our wishlist: (Position in list does not correspond to importance of wish. The result of our final poll will indicate the average importance of each wish.) - OIS mappable to custom key - XLR/ camera mics mappable to custom key - 1/50th default shutter speed in 25F - Remember the previous selected shutter speed - Exposure lock acts as 'Push auto exposure' in Manual mode - Soft clipping / limiter in manual audio mode - Peaking and zebra together - Magnification that works during recording - Exposure override via iris ring in TV mode - Custom presets select via shutter scroll wheel - Image flip on LCD - Image flip on CCD - Exposure lock disables AGC adjustments - Improvements of NR1, NR2 - Additional stop(s) between 1/25 and 1/50 (1/33 and/or 1/40) - Intermediate steps in gain - Remaining battery time in real minutes - Improvement of the "night" mode - Conversion 50i to 25f (playback) - setting for "end play" button to allow for a long push - white balance settings below 2800 K - photo buttons to be used as a possible custom preset button - option to disable AF during zooms (to prevent focus pulsing when filming in AF) - ability for custom preset to be displayed on screen by name (as opposed to just number) - option to allocate AWB switch as OIS Switch or XLR mic / onboard mic switch Anything else? We're still collecting. __________________ Michael Last edited by Michael Mann; January 8th, 2007 at 05:49 AM.

January 6th, 2007, 07:08 PM	#46
Holly Rognan Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Coalville America Posts: 244	I discovered another small problem that I would like fixed, or added to firmware. In the Custom Functionality settings under 04 "Buttons operation" there isn't a setting for the "end play" button (the last one under disp. and peaking), to allow for a long push like the magn and wb sett, exp. lock and AF settings. I have found that I bump this button on occasion and I have lost a few shots during a run and gun session because it takes like tens seconds or so to cycle the last recorded stuff on tape. I would definately like this added to firmware. Also another idea is to allow the "photo" buttons to be used as a possible custom preset button (for OIS and XLR audio setting toggling) This isn't a huge deal but I would use an OIS toggle more than I take photos. This is just a thought.

January 7th, 2007, 12:16 AM	#47
Matthew Nayman Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 917	Image flip, either on CCD or LCD would be awsome.

January 7th, 2007, 05:50 PM	#55
Holly Rognan Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Coalville America Posts: 244	Definately agreed to the custom presets being dispayed by name. Also, I never intend to use the AWB switch and that would be great for possibly allocating an OIS Switch or XLR mic to onboard mic in place.

January 9th, 2007, 01:12 AM	#59
Holly Rognan Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Coalville America Posts: 244	Revision Requests These all sound great to me; I wonder, however, how realistic it is that Canon will fix them in a firmware update. It seems more likely that they will add them to the next revision of the camcorder (At least that is what Panasonic would do.) Canon in the past has been known to do various enhancements to products via firmware, and I am hoping that they actually look at this with a desire for change. Wouldn't they have to reprint manuals and change some of the text on the camcorders to do all of these revisions? I would like all of the requests, but some requests I don't think Canon wil change, regardless of how easy it would be to implement in the firmware. FINGERS CROSSED!

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