How to set up a firmware update wishlist?

Stu Siegal · January 11th, 2007, 08:18 AM

Looks like we're ready to go to me, think all the major requests have been hit and re-hit. And althought they may not participate, my guess is that they read, wouldn't be at all surprised if someone from Canon's read the whole thread.

Toenis Liivamaegi · January 11th, 2007, 10:29 AM

180 degrees flip option on LCD and EVF would be great. XH will sell volumes more in the upcoming year. Even Chinese sub $100 LCD monitors support this feature how come that the major manufacturers can`t implement it?
With every day passed more and more videographers become avare of the DOF adaptors but are mostly turned down by camcorder manufacturers not supporting image flipping. JVC is the only true listener in this regard so far.
Canon XH (not to mention XL H1) could rule this market segment if only minor updates were made to firmware. What else could sell camcorders better than the work done with those...

Cheers,
T

Larry Kamerman · January 11th, 2007, 12:51 PM

If it's not too late, a HUGE issue for me is the inability to use both the internal and an external mic at the same time. Also, and I think this has been mentioned before but not included in the list, is the ability to switch between external and internal mics without going into the menu.

Stu Siegal · January 11th, 2007, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Kamerman

If it's not too late, a HUGE issue for me is the inability to use both the internal and an external mic at the same time.

Great one, Larry, that'd make my top five too. Internal/external switching has been covered.

Michael Mann · January 11th, 2007, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Kamerman

... inability to use both the internal and an external mic at the same time.

Good one!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Kamerman

... ability to switch between external and internal mics without going into the menu.

It is on list position two, Larry.

Chris Hurd · January 11th, 2007, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Kamerman

the inability to use both the internal and an external mic at the same time.

The built-in mic is stereo and therefore requires two audio channels. There are only two audio channels in the camera to begin with. That's why you can't have the built-in mic and an external mic at the ame time. That would require three or four channels and there are only two channels available.

Holly Rognan · January 11th, 2007, 09:38 PM

Chris, couldn't they use just the left or right channel, or combine them into a mono signal?

I am not an audio expert but that seems like it would be fairly easy to accomplish. How does the DVX100 do it?

Bill Busby · January 11th, 2007, 11:43 PM

I just noticed something & pardon me if I missed any post regarding this.

Shouldn't when using a custom preset (either from a SD card or cam), "lock out" any accidental bump of the buttons. Meaning it's easy to accidentally change a preset without realizing it.

Unless I'm missing a setting somewhere, one would think this should be a standard design. Correct me if I'm wrong here or missing something. And if I'm not... I think this should be added to the firmware list.

I should go dink around with it some more, but edit deadlines prohibit much :-\

Bill

Soeren Mueller · January 12th, 2007, 03:19 AM

With the DVX you can switch the left or right channel independently between internal mic or external source (which you can switch between external line or external mic - for which you can switch phantom power on or off ;o) ... so you can choose if you want the left or right channel of the internal mic and on the other "empty" channel you can record from an external mic or external mixer etc. This is often soooo helpful...

So currently for the A1 it's just all external or all internal mic??! :-(
And can the lines be independently switched between line/mic/mic+phantom power at least?!

Simon Dean · January 12th, 2007, 05:44 AM

No and yes. You can't independently switch between line/mic but you can do phantom power per channel.

Soeren Mueller · January 12th, 2007, 06:43 AM

Hm ok thx! Damn - why all this little "design hickups"... could be such a perfect cam otherwise. Of course it's fine as it is, but this and the focus/zoom thing bug me a lot... :-/

Bogdan Tyburczy · January 15th, 2007, 11:34 PM

This funcion is partially present on XL-H1. Enabling EVF flip affects only the LCD without any changes on camera output or recorded signal. Though it's only my speculation, it seems like the function is not built in Digic HD processor, but controlled from separate circuit. We may never see this feature in A1/G1 camcorders :(

LCD reverse in A1/G1 is triggered by position sensor and it's independent from the rest of the system. This doesn't leave much hope for customizable image flip feature either.

I guess firmware update will cast some light on that mystery that bugs users of 35mm adapters like Redrock M2. 180 degrees flip of the signal from CCD block would be the perfect solution, leaving all menus not affected while displaying and recording image correctly.

Who knows if Digic HD can do that... If it can, Canon please listen, give us one more link to Custom Keys.

Michael Mann · January 16th, 2007, 10:29 AM

Alright, I guess time has come to stop collecting wishes and get ready for the final poll. Is that okay with you, Chris?

Jamie Krutz · January 17th, 2007, 12:39 AM

-Support the letterbox option for video outputs during recording. It only works on playback currently.

-Add an option for advanced pulldown on the component video output when using HD 24f mode. This will allow much better pulldown removal when recording directly to the computer, such as one might do to avoid HDV compression for green screen work. Advanced pulldown is an option for SD, why not HD?

Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com

Holly Rognan · January 17th, 2007, 01:41 AM

You dont need advanced pulldown in HDV, because only 24 frames get recorded to tape. HDV allows the compression to be more robust and flexible in this regard, so data compression is optimized.

January 11th, 2007, 10:29 AM	#77
Toenis Liivamaegi Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tartu, Estonia Posts: 579	180 degrees image flip on LCD and EVF 180 degrees flip option on LCD and EVF would be great. XH will sell volumes more in the upcoming year. Even Chinese sub $100 LCD monitors support this feature how come that the major manufacturers can`t implement it? With every day passed more and more videographers become avare of the DOF adaptors but are mostly turned down by camcorder manufacturers not supporting image flipping. JVC is the only true listener in this regard so far. Canon XH (not to mention XL H1) could rule this market segment if only minor updates were made to firmware. What else could sell camcorders better than the work done with those... Cheers, T

January 15th, 2007, 11:34 PM	#87
Bogdan Tyburczy Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 161	LCD/EVF/CCD image flip This funcion is partially present on XL-H1. Enabling EVF flip affects only the LCD without any changes on camera output or recorded signal. Though it's only my speculation, it seems like the function is not built in Digic HD processor, but controlled from separate circuit. We may never see this feature in A1/G1 camcorders :( LCD reverse in A1/G1 is triggered by position sensor and it's independent from the rest of the system. This doesn't leave much hope for customizable image flip feature either. I guess firmware update will cast some light on that mystery that bugs users of 35mm adapters like Redrock M2. 180 degrees flip of the signal from CCD block would be the perfect solution, leaving all menus not affected while displaying and recording image correctly. Who knows if Digic HD can do that... If it can, Canon please listen, give us one more link to Custom Keys.

January 16th, 2007, 10:29 AM	#88
Michael Mann Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kelkheim, Germany Posts: 375	Alright, I guess time has come to stop collecting wishes and get ready for the final poll. Is that okay with you, Chris? __________________ Michael

January 11th, 2007, 08:18 AM	#76
Stu Siegal Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 151	Looks like we're ready to go to me, think all the major requests have been hit and re-hit. And althought they may not participate, my guess is that they read, wouldn't be at all surprised if someone from Canon's read the whole thread.

January 11th, 2007, 12:51 PM	#78
Larry Kamerman Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York,NY Posts: 100	If it's not too late, a HUGE issue for me is the inability to use both the internal and an external mic at the same time. Also, and I think this has been mentioned before but not included in the list, is the ability to switch between external and internal mics without going into the menu.

January 11th, 2007, 09:38 PM	#82
Holly Rognan Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Coalville America Posts: 244	Chris, couldn't they use just the left or right channel, or combine them into a mono signal? I am not an audio expert but that seems like it would be fairly easy to accomplish. How does the DVX100 do it?

January 11th, 2007, 11:43 PM	#83
Bill Busby Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 959	I just noticed something & pardon me if I missed any post regarding this. Shouldn't when using a custom preset (either from a SD card or cam), "lock out" any accidental bump of the buttons. Meaning it's easy to accidentally change a preset without realizing it. Unless I'm missing a setting somewhere, one would think this should be a standard design. Correct me if I'm wrong here or missing something. And if I'm not... I think this should be added to the firmware list. I should go dink around with it some more, but edit deadlines prohibit much :-\ Bill

January 12th, 2007, 03:19 AM	#84
Soeren Mueller Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Düsseldorf, Germany / Denver, CO Posts: 137	With the DVX you can switch the left or right channel independently between internal mic or external source (which you can switch between external line or external mic - for which you can switch phantom power on or off ;o) ... so you can choose if you want the left or right channel of the internal mic and on the other "empty" channel you can record from an external mic or external mixer etc. This is often soooo helpful... So currently for the A1 it's just all external or all internal mic??! :-( And can the lines be independently switched between line/mic/mic+phantom power at least?!

January 12th, 2007, 05:44 AM	#85
Simon Dean Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Coventry, UK Posts: 91	No and yes. You can't independently switch between line/mic but you can do phantom power per channel.

January 12th, 2007, 06:43 AM	#86
Soeren Mueller Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Düsseldorf, Germany / Denver, CO Posts: 137	Hm ok thx! Damn - why all this little "design hickups"... could be such a perfect cam otherwise. Of course it's fine as it is, but this and the focus/zoom thing bug me a lot... :-/

January 17th, 2007, 12:39 AM	#89
Jamie Krutz New Boot Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Denver Colorado Posts: 15	-Support the letterbox option for video outputs during recording. It only works on playback currently. -Add an option for advanced pulldown on the component video output when using HD 24f mode. This will allow much better pulldown removal when recording directly to the computer, such as one might do to avoid HDV compression for green screen work. Advanced pulldown is an option for SD, why not HD? Cheers, -Jamie www.JamieKrutz.com

January 17th, 2007, 01:41 AM	#90
Holly Rognan Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Coalville America Posts: 244	You dont need advanced pulldown in HDV, because only 24 frames get recorded to tape. HDV allows the compression to be more robust and flexible in this regard, so data compression is optimized.