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Old April 4th, 2007, 09:52 AM   #16
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I'm crackin' up! No worries Tom. We all have our doofus moments. :D

So at this point I'm assuming your detailed post earlier regarding the Preset was from looking at a connected monitor & not just you hallucinating? :)

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Old April 4th, 2007, 09:58 AM   #17
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AWB=On (very trustworthy with these settings)
Just curious why you would use this? I NEVER use AWB unless I'm going from one color temperature to a radically different temp. May appear trustworthy, but why risk it?
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Old April 4th, 2007, 10:08 AM   #18
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I'm an idiot!!!!

I've imagined the whole thing! It's all been inside my head because I haven't had the custom preset switched on since I've had this cam. Grrrhhh!!!!

For helping me out of my imagined bliss, I hate you all! (Lol..)

And if I don't turn on the preset it didn't go to tape either. It sucks to be me right now.
We've all been there :)

So does this mean that what you described seeing on your plasma (ie, vibrant "3d" colors) was not from this preset?
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Old April 4th, 2007, 10:09 AM   #19
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Just curious why you would use this? I NEVER use AWB unless I'm going from one color temperature to a radically different temp. May appear trustworthy, but why risk it?
I have to say I wondered about this also. For any professional application, you would never want a shifting WB no matter how subtle.
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Old April 4th, 2007, 10:32 AM   #20
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I'm crackin' up! No worries Tom. We all have our doofus moments. :D

So at this point I'm assuming your detailed post earlier regarding the Preset was from looking at a connected monitor & not just you hallucinating? :)

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It was an un-retouched m2t stream captured from tape played back over HDMI connection from a Toshiba HD-DVD player to the plasma.

Which also means every single thing I thought was improved by custom presets since I got this thing, was hallucinated.

It explains why I still see the magenta hue on indoors footage. I think the preset settings I posted in the detailed post will work for the earlier reasons stated, but the +50 gain setting is probably way over the top, and possibly the BG Matrix can be backed off somewhat. But I'm back to square one. Need to see these on the monitor.

From the top:
Open box, remove packing, read safety warnings, mail in warranty registration....sick.

If it wasn't such a joke on me I'd pull the post.

I'm the poster child for how anyone with a keyboard and the internet is a DP.

Yes the image is vibrant and vivid, made more so by springtime colors and effective medications.
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Old April 4th, 2007, 10:43 AM   #21
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I haven't always used AWB. I've often used a white card or the 5600-5800 Kelvin temperature settings for daylight, 3200K for tungsten, but AWB I maintain has it's place, particularly in mixed indoor lighting where you pan from tungsten to cool white fluorescent.

But take it from a guy who told you he had a world beating preset, looking for a hole to hide in.
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Old April 4th, 2007, 10:44 AM   #22
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Just took a couple of test shots using your suggested settings and, wow, I think we'll call this one vividpro :)
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Old April 4th, 2007, 11:47 AM   #23
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Okay, again, I'm working from a weird monitor so I need some objectivity.

Are you guys seeing any kind of cast on this shot?
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Old April 4th, 2007, 12:10 PM   #24
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too much red highlight.

can you control midtone on the preset?
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Old April 4th, 2007, 12:53 PM   #25
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Not sure but this is going to do me for a neutral preset with vibrant colors. Doesn't look so vibrant right now because it's a dull day. I can more easily correct the red highlights in post :)

Gamma: Cine1
Color Matrix: N
Color Gain: +35 (adjust to taste)
Color Phase: 0
Knee: Low
Black: Middle
Master Ped: -5
Setup Level: 0
Horizontal Detail Frequency: High (or mid, depending on your preference)
H/V Detail balance: 0
Sharpness: +3 (or adjust to taste)
NR1: Off
NR2: Off
Coring: 0
Red Gain: 0
Green Gain: -10
Blue Gain: 0
RG Matrix: 0
RB Matrix: -15
GR Matrix: 0
GB Matrix: 8
BR Matrix: 0
BG Matrix: -15
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Old April 4th, 2007, 04:55 PM   #26
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I have now included this new preset with a still from the camera in the presets section.
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Old April 5th, 2007, 01:50 AM   #27
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Stephen, some of your settings are similar to the ones I posted (before I realized I wasn't actually reaping them). Now that I have CP's turned on, I borrowed some of what you did, a subtle refinement, still a strong resemblance. Once I saw the effect of CPs, I felt my sharpness +3 was too high so I took that to zero. Since Cine1 gamma I also wasn't getting, and because I like the video-reality look of HD-Net/Discovery HD Theater I selected normal to be consistent with what I was getting before. After I got the matrix settings looking as close as I could get them, I was left with a slight green bias in the whites, saw what you did there and turned the green gain down, but -1 was all it took for me. I did not see the red push in the highlights the other poster noted from you picture, but I will look at it again on a different monitor.

Gamma: Normal
Color Matrix: N
Color Gain: +28
Color Phase: 0
Knee: Auto
Black: Middle
Master Ped: 0
Setup Level: 0
Horizontal Detail Frequency: Mid
H/V Detail balance: 0
Sharpness: 0
NR1: Off
NR2: Off
Coring: 0
Red Gain: 0
Green Gain: -1
Blue Gain: 0
RG Matrix: 0
RB Matrix: -10
GR Matrix: 0
GB Matrix: 10
BR Matrix: 0
BG Matrix: -13
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Old April 5th, 2007, 02:00 AM   #28
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Yeah, I don't really see a red highlight problem but the picture is small. These kinds of subtle color tones are sometimes hard to spot even on a 50 inch monitor. In fact it's definitely not a problem to even characterize it that way. If there is a slight cast it's hard to see. Perhaps the poster has observed some red fringing on the white pickup truck, or a faint red in the sky. The problem with faint reds in the sky, is sometimes they do exist in the scene and are not color casts therefore.
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Old April 5th, 2007, 07:23 AM   #29
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could you add it to the preset downloads

will you be adding this to the present downloads? Or making a preset file?
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Old April 5th, 2007, 10:44 AM   #30
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Tom, I loaded up your preset and there are two things that stand out about it:

1. It's a little muddy and/or milky in the midtones (I realize that can be made richer in post)
2. There is a definite green cast that I find distracting

Anyway, that's just my opinion, it may work for others.

Thanks for your efforts

Here's a comparison of the two:
Tom's on the left, mine on the right. Neither frame has been retouched, straight out of the camera.
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