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Nick Csakany · July 12th, 2007, 07:37 PM

Hello all,

I am looking to add an on-camera monitor to my XH A1, so as to better help me in nailing manual focus. I looked at the Glidecam and VariZoom models, and also searched these forums, but being a noob I feel like I need some directions. Is there any one model you are particular towards? Also, do they work off rechargeable or AA batteries, or would an external battery pack be required for field recording, where no A/C adapter would be readily available?

Thanks in advance,
Nick

John B. Nelson · July 12th, 2007, 08:19 PM

Beleive it or not.. right now I'm using a portable Poloraid DVD player as an external monitor for the A1. It has a 9 inch screen which makes focusing on a subject really easy. The battery lasts for 3 or 4 hours before it needs to be charged. I am in the process in trying to rig some kind of stand for it.. maybe by using a tripod or something... I'll figure something out hopefully. Anyway, thats what I'm using and its working great.

-John

Chris Barcellos · July 12th, 2007, 08:25 PM

I'm using a Polaroid 7 in DVD player bought for $100 at Walmart, for same purpose. It is not HD, obviously, but it also flips when I use it with my Letus Adapter...

Joseph Hutson · July 12th, 2007, 08:30 PM

Southern engineering eh?

ha

That IS a pretty good idea. But how do you mount it?

Joseph

Dennis Murphy · July 12th, 2007, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joseph Hutson

But how do you mount it?

Buy it a couple of drinks and tell it that it has beautiful eyes.

Sorry, the devil made me do it.

Jeremy Naus · July 13th, 2007, 02:12 AM

good to hear that those DVD players are usefull as external monitor.
I'm thinking of getting myself one after I made my own Stabilizer (got Cody's plans) and/or crane.
What type of cable do you use to connect it to the XHA1?

Nick Csakany · July 13th, 2007, 07:31 AM

I think most DVD players would connect via the composite A/V, and not component. It would also be kind of awkward using the bulky component cable for such a short distance.

I'll try to figure out how to mount one of these DVD players, but I'm still looking at a proper external monitor.

Thanks for all your input. This is a great place to be, and I cannot begin to express the amount of knowledge that I absorbed while lurking in the background!

Nick

James Binder · July 13th, 2007, 10:54 AM

Here's the one I use. Not HD, not great resolution, but very good if your prefer to see a MUCH larger image than the onboard LCD.

Varizoom VZ-TFT7U 7-Inch Widescreen Color LCD

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...D_Monitor.html

Chris Barcellos · July 13th, 2007, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Csakany

I think most DVD players would connect via the composite A/V, and not component. It would also be kind of awkward using the bulky component cable for such a short distance.

I'll try to figure out how to mount one of these DVD players, but I'm still looking at a proper external monitor.

Thanks for all your input. This is a great place to be, and I cannot begin to express the amount of knowledge that I absorbed while lurking in the background!

Nick

Heres how I used my with my HV20, and Letus. Velcro on bottom of battery, with velcro on bars on cross pieces. In this configuration it was wobbly because I also had cross bars velcroed. But I since did a new build on the flip arrangement, and bolted the bars on for a much steadier mount.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/attachmen...5&d=1182318059

Nick Csakany · July 13th, 2007, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Binder

Here's the one I use. Not HD, not great resolution, but very good if your prefer to see a MUCH larger image than the onboard LCD.

Varizoom VZ-TFT7U 7-Inch Widescreen Color LCD

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...D_Monitor.html

This is the one I was looking at. The kit, actually, which includes the mount, sun box, battery, and carrying case.

Does it impact the balance of the camera? I don't recall offhand if the hot shoe is directly over the tripot mount, of further towards the front. The camera already is front-heavy as is.

Nick

Nick Csakany · July 13th, 2007, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

Heres how I used my with my HV20, and Letus. Velcro on bottom of battery, with velcro on bars on cross pieces. In this configuration it was wobbly because I also had cross bars velcroed. But I since did a new build on the flip arrangement, and bolted the bars on for a much steadier mount.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/attachmen...5&d=1182318059

Interesting. The camera almost gets lost in the setup. I guess the HV20 doesn't have a flip function, that's why you mounted it upside down for the straight Letus?

Nick

Henry Cho · July 13th, 2007, 01:29 PM

unfortunately, none of these monitors are appropriate for critical focusing. you need a monitor capable of displaying at least 480 lines of true vertical resolution. the least expensive of these hd lcd monitors currently available are the ikan 8000 hd, the varizoom swit, and the marshall. these other monitors may be fine for framing and work perfectly well for standard def, but focusing with them for high def would be a complete gamble. you'd be better off using the xha1's onboard lcd/evf and focus assist functions.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=112

Chris Barcellos · July 14th, 2007, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Csakany

Interesting. The camera almost gets lost in the setup. I guess the HV20 doesn't have a flip function, that's why you mounted it upside down for the straight Letus?

Nick

No flip function readily accessable , though you can open it up and actually install your own. However, I shoot upside down so when I capture the footage does not need to be flipped.

Chris Barcellos · July 14th, 2007, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henry Cho

unfortunately, none of these monitors are appropriate for critical focusing. you need a monitor capable of displaying at least 480 lines of true vertical resolution. the least expensive of these hd lcd monitors currently available are the ikan 8000 hd, the varizoom swit, and the marshall. these other monitors may be fine for framing and work perfectly well for standard def, but focusing with them for high def would be a complete gamble. you'd be better off using the xha1's onboard lcd/evf and focus assist functions.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=112

I agree, Henry. In the film I shot with this set up, I managed to hit it pretty close, and since it was going to SD, there was a bit less issue. But I don't mind telling you that before I saw the footage, I was a bit nervouse about the critical focus issues.

Nick Csakany · July 14th, 2007, 08:10 PM

Thanks all for the very informative input. Since I need an external monitor primarily for checking and attaining focus -- as opposed to framing -- I guess the way to go is HD. I'm looking at the Marshall and Nebtek products right now, and will probably make a purchase this week.

July 12th, 2007, 07:37 PM	#1
Nick Csakany Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lake Worth, FL Posts: 28	Decent on-camera monitor Hello all, I am looking to add an on-camera monitor to my XH A1, so as to better help me in nailing manual focus. I looked at the Glidecam and VariZoom models, and also searched these forums, but being a noob I feel like I need some directions. Is there any one model you are particular towards? Also, do they work off rechargeable or AA batteries, or would an external battery pack be required for field recording, where no A/C adapter would be readily available? Thanks in advance, Nick

July 12th, 2007, 08:25 PM	#3
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	I'm using a Polaroid 7 in DVD player bought for $100 at Walmart, for same purpose. It is not HD, obviously, but it also flips when I use it with my Letus Adapter... __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

July 12th, 2007, 08:19 PM	#2
John B. Nelson Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bradford, PA Posts: 67	Beleive it or not.. right now I'm using a portable Poloraid DVD player as an external monitor for the A1. It has a 9 inch screen which makes focusing on a subject really easy. The battery lasts for 3 or 4 hours before it needs to be charged. I am in the process in trying to rig some kind of stand for it.. maybe by using a tripod or something... I'll figure something out hopefully. Anyway, thats what I'm using and its working great. -John

July 12th, 2007, 08:30 PM	#4
Joseph Hutson Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Claremore, Oklahoma Posts: 131	Southern engineering eh? ha That IS a pretty good idea. But how do you mount it? Joseph

July 13th, 2007, 02:12 AM	#6
Jeremy Naus Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Antwerpen, Belgium Posts: 60	good to hear that those DVD players are usefull as external monitor. I'm thinking of getting myself one after I made my own Stabilizer (got Cody's plans) and/or crane. What type of cable do you use to connect it to the XHA1?

July 13th, 2007, 07:31 AM	#7
Nick Csakany Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lake Worth, FL Posts: 28	I think most DVD players would connect via the composite A/V, and not component. It would also be kind of awkward using the bulky component cable for such a short distance. I'll try to figure out how to mount one of these DVD players, but I'm still looking at a proper external monitor. Thanks for all your input. This is a great place to be, and I cannot begin to express the amount of knowledge that I absorbed while lurking in the background! Nick

July 13th, 2007, 10:54 AM	#8
James Binder Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NY, NYC Posts: 367	Here's the one I use. Not HD, not great resolution, but very good if your prefer to see a MUCH larger image than the onboard LCD. Varizoom VZ-TFT7U 7-Inch Widescreen Color LCD http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...D_Monitor.html

July 13th, 2007, 01:29 PM	#12
Henry Cho Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 516	unfortunately, none of these monitors are appropriate for critical focusing. you need a monitor capable of displaying at least 480 lines of true vertical resolution. the least expensive of these hd lcd monitors currently available are the ikan 8000 hd, the varizoom swit, and the marshall. these other monitors may be fine for framing and work perfectly well for standard def, but focusing with them for high def would be a complete gamble. you'd be better off using the xha1's onboard lcd/evf and focus assist functions. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=112

July 14th, 2007, 08:10 PM	#15
Nick Csakany Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lake Worth, FL Posts: 28	Thanks all for the very informative input. Since I need an external monitor primarily for checking and attaining focus -- as opposed to framing -- I guess the way to go is HD. I'm looking at the Marshall and Nebtek products right now, and will probably make a purchase this week.