XL2 for Very Low Price... at DVinfo.net

Dale Stoltzfus · August 10th, 2007, 08:52 AM

I know, I know - when buying new, spend the extra money and buy from a trusted retailer. But when a store located in Edison NJ (not Brooklyn) offers and XL2 for less than $2000 and that same store gets good reviews...one wonders: would it not be worth risking getting camera only (w/o usual accessories) for that price?

Thoughts?

Merlin Vandenbossche · August 10th, 2007, 09:15 AM

The price difference with other stores looks to be very large here. I've had my own (good) experience with webshops like these though. I bought my own XM2 in a dutch webstore for around 1700€ while other webshops offered around 2200-2300€; videostores in town even went with around 2700€. About a week after I bought the camera the same webstore changed pricing to around 2300€. Still I got a new boxed camera for the price of 1700 cuz the contract was there. The store just didn't keep their pricings up-to-date. So you could be very lucky like I was. But the difference in pricing here is a lot more than I had.

Be careful around buying an XL-2 though with the difference between body-kit only and lens included. Best search for prices of the body-kit and see if it is still such a huge profit in price. All the way on the bottom of the page you see a lens selling for 1999.99$, the lens is the one making this camera expensive. I think this package is body-only tbh.
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Dale Stoltzfus · August 10th, 2007, 10:04 AM

Body only would be fine with me - I plan on getting the 16x lens and shooting primarily with that. Even for body only it is a good deal as B&H is selling the body only for about $2800.

Jonathan Jones · August 10th, 2007, 10:16 AM

Buyer beware.

Hi Dale,
The reviews page you linked to appears to be a false front. Its info doesn't correspond to any of the very popular or well known vendor reviews sites that clearly distinguish your selected vendor as a "significantly less than ideal" merchant from whom to make such a purchase. (Which should have been completely obvious simply by the pricing structure - especially when looking at the alternate package options such as the Professional Package - their highest priced XL2 package selling for $1809.

Aside from the fact that they include in this package the full cam (lens included as is also with all the packages - noted by the fact that it includes OIS) they also include with the XL2 these items:
Wide angle Converter lens (not shown in the picture)
2X Super Telephoto Lens (huh?)
Deluxe Camcorder Case (pictured item would not accomodate XL2)
Full Size Tripod (pictured item would not accomodate XL2)
Wireless Microphone System (not shown - your lucky to get 2 styrofoam cups connected by a string)
Professional Video Light (not shown)
1GB Secure Digital Memory Card (Why? XL2 doesn't use 'em)

...and so on.

Add to this the fact that the images they are using are not really their own, but were obviously heisted from other sites and were stamped with their own cheapo watermark - as evidenced by their shoddy recompression.

While there is no way to really enforce DVinfo site members to purchase from our noted and trusted vendors, I feel it is a moral imperative to stongly discourage you from throwing you money away and getting taken for a ride by trying to do business with the vendor you have linked to.

When you find a deal like this on a new XL2 that is WWWAAAAYYYYYY obviously too good to be true.......run away quickly.

Hope this helps.

Shop smart.
-Jon

Dale Stoltzfus · August 10th, 2007, 10:22 AM

Thanks, Jon - that was my gut feeling, I just wasn't able to pick up on those details like you were. Definitely convinced and fully agreed.

Dale

Eric Shepherd · August 10th, 2007, 01:06 PM

I came across their site earlier this year and decided to go to Google and search for 'express cameras review'.. They've been screwing over tons of people for YEARS..
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

Check out this thread, which has been running for a few years..
http://www.resellerratings.com/forum...103621&page=16

Apparently they make their money by sending the wrong items, and delaying shipments and relying on people eventually giving up on getting a refund. They bundle other stuff (SD card?!) to make people happy with the 'value' they get, even though they don't always get the items they paid for.. cute, huh?

Peter Wittinghoff · August 12th, 2007, 02:59 AM

Woha! That was som serious critisism on the links you gave! Thanx for informing us Eric.

Boyd Ostroff · August 12th, 2007, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Jones

While there is no way to really enforce DVinfo site members to purchase from our noted and trusted vendors, I feel it is a moral imperative to stongly discourage you from throwing you money away and getting taken for a ride by trying to do business with the vendor you have linked to.

When you find a deal like this on a new XL2 that is WWWAAAAYYYYYY obviously too good to be true.......run away quickly.

Very well said Jonathan! And I don't think there's anything to be added to the discussion, so this thread is now closed.

August 10th, 2007, 08:52 AM	#1
Dale Stoltzfus Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ephrata, PA United States Posts: 257	XL2 for Very Low Price... I know, I know - when buying new, spend the extra money and buy from a trusted retailer. But when a store located in Edison NJ (not Brooklyn) offers and XL2 for less than $2000 and that same store gets good reviews...one wonders: would it not be worth risking getting camera only (w/o usual accessories) for that price? Thoughts?

August 10th, 2007, 09:15 AM	#2
Merlin Vandenbossche Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Holsbeek BELGIUM Posts: 40	The price difference with other stores looks to be very large here. I've had my own (good) experience with webshops like these though. I bought my own XM2 in a dutch webstore for around 1700€ while other webshops offered around 2200-2300€; videostores in town even went with around 2700€. About a week after I bought the camera the same webstore changed pricing to around 2300€. Still I got a new boxed camera for the price of 1700 cuz the contract was there. The store just didn't keep their pricings up-to-date. So you could be very lucky like I was. But the difference in pricing here is a lot more than I had. Be careful around buying an XL-2 though with the difference between body-kit only and lens included. Best search for prices of the body-kit and see if it is still such a huge profit in price. All the way on the bottom of the page you see a lens selling for 1999.99$, the lens is the one making this camera expensive. I think this package is body-only tbh. . __________________ Canon XM-2 AVID Xpress Pro 5.7

August 10th, 2007, 10:16 AM	#4
Jonathan Jones Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Healdsburg, California Posts: 1,138	Buyer beware. Hi Dale, The reviews page you linked to appears to be a false front. Its info doesn't correspond to any of the very popular or well known vendor reviews sites that clearly distinguish your selected vendor as a "significantly less than ideal" merchant from whom to make such a purchase. (Which should have been completely obvious simply by the pricing structure - especially when looking at the alternate package options such as the Professional Package - their highest priced XL2 package selling for $1809. Aside from the fact that they include in this package the full cam (lens included as is also with all the packages - noted by the fact that it includes OIS) they also include with the XL2 these items: Wide angle Converter lens (not shown in the picture) 2X Super Telephoto Lens (huh?) Deluxe Camcorder Case (pictured item would not accomodate XL2) Full Size Tripod (pictured item would not accomodate XL2) Wireless Microphone System (not shown - your lucky to get 2 styrofoam cups connected by a string) Professional Video Light (not shown) 1GB Secure Digital Memory Card (Why? XL2 doesn't use 'em) ...and so on. Add to this the fact that the images they are using are not really their own, but were obviously heisted from other sites and were stamped with their own cheapo watermark - as evidenced by their shoddy recompression. While there is no way to really enforce DVinfo site members to purchase from our noted and trusted vendors, I feel it is a moral imperative to stongly discourage you from throwing you money away and getting taken for a ride by trying to do business with the vendor you have linked to. When you find a deal like this on a new XL2 that is WWWAAAAYYYYYY obviously too good to be true.......run away quickly. Hope this helps. Shop smart. -Jon __________________ "Are we to go on record, sir, with our assertion that the 'pink hearts, yellow moons, orange stars, and green clovers' are, in point of fact', magically delicious?" - Walter Hollarhan before the House Subcommittee on Integrity in Advertising - May, 1974

August 10th, 2007, 10:04 AM	#3
Dale Stoltzfus Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ephrata, PA United States Posts: 257	Body only would be fine with me - I plan on getting the 16x lens and shooting primarily with that. Even for body only it is a good deal as B&H is selling the body only for about $2800.

August 10th, 2007, 10:22 AM	#5
Dale Stoltzfus Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ephrata, PA United States Posts: 257	Thanks, Jon - that was my gut feeling, I just wasn't able to pick up on those details like you were. Definitely convinced and fully agreed. Dale

August 10th, 2007, 01:06 PM	#6
Eric Shepherd Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 404	I came across their site earlier this year and decided to go to Google and search for 'express cameras review'.. They've been screwing over tons of people for YEARS.. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search Check out this thread, which has been running for a few years.. http://www.resellerratings.com/forum...103621&page=16 Apparently they make their money by sending the wrong items, and delaying shipments and relying on people eventually giving up on getting a refund. They bundle other stuff (SD card?!) to make people happy with the 'value' they get, even though they don't always get the items they paid for.. cute, huh?

August 12th, 2007, 02:59 AM	#7
Peter Wittinghoff New Boot Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 23	Woha! That was som serious critisism on the links you gave! Thanx for informing us Eric.