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Old September 2nd, 2004, 01:47 PM   #1
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Can you power the XL2 with an AB brick?

Is there a way to attach an Anton BAuer battery to the XL2 besides the Dolgin stuff? I'd like something that isn't bulky and hanging over your shoulder... perhaps something that attaches to the XL2's adapter holder?
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Old September 2nd, 2004, 01:50 PM   #2
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The Anton Bauer QR-XL1C Gold Mount Plate should work fine with the XL2.
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Old September 2nd, 2004, 01:57 PM   #3
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<<<-- Originally posted by Jean-Philippe Archibald : The Anton Bauer QR-XL1C Gold Mount Plate should work fine with the XL2. -->>>

That looks like exactly what I'm looking for, but I'm not sure it will mount to the XL2. The back of the XL1 looks different than the XL2. Do you know if it will work?
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Old September 2nd, 2004, 02:05 PM   #4
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From what I understand, the back of the XL2 have the same configuration then the back of an XL1 with a MA-200 connected to it.

Look:

http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/FirstXl2/DCP_4110.jpg An XL2 with an Anton Bauer mount!
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Old September 2nd, 2004, 02:08 PM   #5
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<<<-- Originally posted by Jean-Philippe Archibald : From what I understand, the back of the XL2 have the same configuration then the back of an XL1 with a MA-200 connected to it.

Look:

http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/FirstXl2/DCP_4110.jpg An XL2 with an Anton Bauer mount! -->>>

Nice!!!!! It doesn't seem to be using the QR-XL1C (or does it?)...how is the power getting to the camera?
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Old September 2nd, 2004, 02:24 PM   #6
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Yes, he is using it, look at the first picture in the Johnnie's article:

http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/FirstXl2/
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Old September 3rd, 2004, 08:35 AM   #7
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The back of the XL2 is different to the XL1. The XL2 has a new shoulder pad and new XLR ports built into the chassis at the rear, so the MA-100 andMA-200 will not fit on this camera. The MA-300 will work via the active mount. There is a new mount for the XL2 called an “adapter holder” which is shown in the photos from Bill and Jean-Philippe. It uses three screws to attch to the camera, and so is much strudier(doesn't flop around with weighty attachments like the MA-100/200).I believe that this adapter holder is included in the XL2 kit.
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Old September 3rd, 2004, 08:39 AM   #8
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Yes, that's what I mean. the adaptor holder included with the XL2 is different than the attachement bracket of the MA-100 or MA200, but it has the same configuration i.e: you can mount accessories on it the same way.
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Old September 3rd, 2004, 10:47 AM   #9
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Hello,

For those interested in using an Anton Bauer battery with the new XL2, following are items to consider before finalizing your solution:

Type of Anton Bauer battery
There are more or less six (6) different types of Anton Bauer batteries to chose from. The DIGITAL TRIM PACK and DIGITAL PRO PACK http://antonbauer.com/digi_propac_trimpac.htm, the LOGIC SERIES (no digital microprocessor features) TRIM PACK and PRO PACK http://antonbauer.com/propac_trimpac.htm the DIGITAL HYTRON http://antonbauer.com/hytron.htm and the DIGITAL DIONIC http://antonbauer.com/dionic.htm. All six types utilize the same type of mount, referred to by Anton Bauer as the "Gold Mount" http://antonbauer.com/gold_mount_system.htm.

Length of Running Time per battery type with XL2
Many users will want an AB system because they need to continously run their XL longer than what a Canon BP-940 provides. Some require an AB system because they also want to easily and conveniently power a device such as a sungun or perhaps a FireStore disk recorder in addition to their XL camera. Regardless of how many devices you need to power, Anton Bauer provides an easy way to calculate how long the battery you use will operate before needing to be recharged as follows:
a) Determine power consumption of device used. This should be expressed as "Watts".
With the new XL2, the power consumption is 7.1watts.
b) Determine power output of battery used. This is always expressed as "Watt Hours".
TRIM PACK 14 & DIGITAL TRIM PACK 14 = 45 Watt Hours
PRO PACK 14 & DIGITAL PRO PACK 14 = 65 Watt Hours***
HYTRON 50 = 50 Watt Hours
HYTRON 120 = 120 Watt Hours***
DIONIC 90 = 90 Watt Hours
DIONIC 160 = 160 Watt Hours***
c) Calculate the approximate running time as follows:
WATT HOURS divided by POWER CONSUMPTION = Approximate Running Time (round up)

So, if you are using a Hytron 50 (50 Watt Hours) with an XL2 (7.1 Watts), you would realize approximately a little more than 7 hours of running time before the Hytron 50 battery would be fully discharged and require recharging. (50 divided by 7.1 = 7.04).

Suppose you also wanted to use a 25 watt Sungun as well. You would add the 25 watts of the sungun to the 7.1 watts of the Xl2 to calculate your *MINIMUM* power consumption - if you run the battery on all the time, this is the minimum running time you will realize. Obviously, turning off the sungun will net you even longer running times (less power consumption) from the battery. (We all know that sun guns of any brand suck up juice quickly)
50 Watt Hours divided by 32.1 Watts = 1.55 Hours Running Time.

Don't forget to round up to the nearest number...
TRIM PACK 14 (45 WH) with CANON XL2 (7.1 volts) = approx 6 1/2 hours
PRO PACK 14 (65 WH) with CANON XL2 (7.1 volts) = approx 9.2 hours
HYTRON 50 (50 WH) with CANON XL2 (7.1 volts) = approx 7.1 hours
DIONIC 90 (90 WH) with CANON XL2 (7.1 volts) = approx 12.75 hours
Above running times assume that you are using either a new or properly conditioned & maintained battery (and not an old, poorly maintained battery) and are powering only the XL2 (and not any additional devices).

*** NOTE: Will find out shortly from Anton Bauer is they will officially recommend the use of the larger and heavier PRO PACK 14, DIGITAL PRO PACK 14, DIGITAL HYTRON 120 and DIGITAL DIONIC 160 batteries as soon as they can spend some time with an XL2 in testing to determine if the newer, stronger and heavier-duty metal backplate of the XL2 (significantly stringer than the older backplate of the MA-100) will stand up to the test. I suspect that it will. I will keep you posted.

Mounting a GOLD MOUNT battery to the XL2
Anton Bauer offers a Gold Mount to XL2 adaptor called the QR-XL1-C http://www.antonbauer.com/7_14_gold_mounts.htm. The QR-XL1-C is simply a heavy duty metal bracket with a Gold Mount plate attached. This plate accepts any Gold Mount battery and outputs a consistent 7.2 volts to the XL2 via a "dummy battery" which is connected to the QR-XL1-C via a sturdy cable. There is also provision for connecting and powering an Anton Bauer sungun via the AB power output jack on the top of the plate. This output can obviously be adapted to whichever power output connector you may need. The heavy duty metal bracket of the QR-XL1-C is angled on the bottom with three (3) metal screws which allow the QR-XL1-C to mount on top and against the standard issue metal backplate of the XL2. In short, you simply attach the QR-XL1-C to the XL2 metal backplate, attach the dummy battery to the battery recepticle on the XL2, attach a Gold Mount battery to the QR-XL1-C and you are ready to begin shooting for a very long time.

For those shooters who require super-long running times with a sungun attached in extreme situations - please do not attempt to use the the larger and heavier HYTRON 120 (120 Watt Hours) and DIONIC 160 (160 watt hours) without first consulting a support technician from Anton Bauer. Please refer to Anton Bauer's Customer Support page for the best telephone number to use in your area http://www.antonbauer.com/customer_support.htm.

Hoping this helps to clarify the issue of using an Anton Bauer Gold Mount battery with the XL2.

Cheers,

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Old June 13th, 2005, 08:22 AM   #10
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3 screws?

Hi,
I am attempting to mount the AB gold-mount to my XL-2 and although the three screws at the bottom of the QR-XL1-C match the stock Canon bracket which comes with the camera, there is a lever on the side of the Canon bracket which gets in the way and also, three screw heads on the back of the gold-mount which hold the two parts apart when you tighten the three screws (in a triangular pattern) at the bottom.

Is this as good as it gets? Has anyone tried drilling a pair of matching holes in the two parts so there is a point of contact at the top of the thing?
It seems that if the three bottom screws are all there is, that the top would flap and put a great deal of pressure on the bottom three screws. No?

Are people satisfied with this connection scheme?

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Old June 13th, 2005, 03:27 PM   #11
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Hi,
I am attempting to mount the AB gold-mount to my XL-2 and although the three screws at the bottom of the QR-XL1-C match the stock Canon bracket which comes with the camera, there is a lever on the side of the Canon bracket which gets in the way and also, three screw heads on the back of the gold-mount which hold the two parts apart when you tighten the three screws (in a triangular pattern) at the bottom.

Is this as good as it gets? Has anyone tried drilling a pair of matching holes in the two parts so there is a point of contact at the top of the thing?
It seems that if the three bottom screws are all there is, that the top would flap and put a great deal of pressure on the bottom three screws. No?

Are people satisfied with this connection scheme?

Thank alot,
Tim J Durham

IIRC, there is an extra adapter piece that is used in conjunction with the AB Gold Mount to make it compatible with the rear bracket on the XL-2. Seems like I remember getting that info from ZGC, one of our site's sponsors.

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Old June 13th, 2005, 05:51 PM   #12
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I bought the AB Dionic 90 and the tritan charger. Of course the AB goldmount was also needed. I can run the xl2 and my frezzi light, or just the frezzi light.( sometimes I run just the frezi off of the AB, and use the Canon battery to run the xl2). the extra weight on the back helps balance the xl2 for shoulder mount. I'm very happy with the set-up.
Customer service at Anton Bauer is very helpfull. they are easy to reach and eager to help.
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Old June 21st, 2005, 10:05 AM   #13
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Anton/Bauer Mount for XL-1/XL-2

The mount that we offer works on both the XL-1 and XL-2 cameras.
The XL-2 is much more sturdy- we mount the battery bracket on the Accessory mount. The mount has two positions-- you may need to move the bracket up to the next setting to accomadate the TrimPac series of batteries.

Keep in mind we offer the PowerTap multi connector-- which allows you to power 4 seperate devices from the PowerTap port--for example- You could power a light, wireless receiver, hard disc recorder and LCD monitor and camera all from one battery.

Here is some info on a setup using our Ultralight system-- please keep in mind our light system is modular-- you can change the head module and turn this light into an HMI light-- you can add a dimmer module to the Tungsten/Halogen light-- you can add accessories such as gels, filters or diffusers.

http://www.abcdv.com/article/articleview/115/1/32
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Old June 22nd, 2005, 08:37 PM   #14
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The mount that we offer works on both the XL-1 and XL-2 cameras.
The XL-2 is much more sturdy- we mount the battery bracket on the Accessory mount. The mount has two positions-- you may need to move the bracket up to the next setting to accomadate the TrimPac series of batteries.
Hi Bob,
I've gotta tell you, that XL-2 adaptor is a suspect piece of engineering. It would take very little to give it a wider spread in the contact points which would greatly improve the fit of the thing. As it is, it pushes back the lever on the Canon adaptor that it attaches to. Why not cut a notch to avoid contact with this lever? This seems like it was built by a kid in metal-shop class. When fitted in the suggested way, the top of it becomes a clapper due to only being connected at the bottom.

I'm gonna get out the grinder and drill and fix it, but for the money it should fit perfectly.
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Old June 24th, 2005, 07:46 AM   #15
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XL-2 Bracket

Thanks for your update. The bracket is designed to work with existing XL-1 users with the MA-100 or MA-200 as well. The Canon XL-2 design with the accessory bracket has helped to provide additional support for the mount, an improvement over the XL-1 design.

The issue with the battery mount pushing the lever on the accessory bracket is a mute point in this application, since the lever serves no purpose when used in this configuration.

I'm going to suggest a piece of velcro could between accessory bracket and back of the battery mount could provide additional security that you feel is required. A much easier solution than drilling and grinding.
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