Handling of the XL series at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Canon EOS / MXF / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Canon HDV and DV Camera Systems > Canon XL and GL Series DV Camcorders

Canon XL and GL Series DV Camcorders
Canon XL2 / XL1S / XL1 and GL2 / XM2 / GL1 / XM1.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old October 18th, 2004, 11:57 AM   #1
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 209
Handling of the XL series

Just curious to find out from XL users how they find the handling (physical manipulation) of the cam compared to both loaf-of-bread prosumer models (PD170, DVX, GL2, etc), and shoulder mount pro camcorders

I’ve only tried the XL2 for about half an hour, so I have no real opinion about it, save for it’s awkwardness in shoulder mount position. I suppose that most of you have a counter weight bracket to offset the weight on the arm?

What about low angles? How do you find holding the XL without an LCD to frame the shot? Is the viewfinder good enough, or do you use a separate LCD monitor attached on the shoe? And what about hand held shots above the head?

All in all, the weight is not all that different form most load of bread camcorders, but it’s shape and size must somehow be cumbersome; or is it just a question of getting use to it?
Frederic Segard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 19th, 2004, 09:13 AM   #2
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Falls Church Virginia
Posts: 61
Frederic,

I find that the XL1 is just right for me.
The smaller cams are to hard to keep steady even with servo on,
they don't have enough body to hold wireless mics, lights, etc. third party manufactures are even creating things that make the camera bigger so that they can accomodate the accesories!
Kind of defeats the purpose of having a small handheld cam.
And the larger pro size is just to cumbersome and heavy.

Michael
Michael Hamilton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 19th, 2004, 09:59 AM   #3
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Huntsville, Alabama
Posts: 44
The weight of my XL1 doesn't bother me in the slightest, although the lens alone is substantially heavier than most consumer camcorders. The problem is, the lens alone is heavier than most consumer camcorders, and that throws the balance way off. The camera is very nose heavy, and I haven't gotten used to that yet (I just got my used XL1 last week). I'm having a very difficult time keeping it steady in handheld mode, even with the MA-100 shoulder mount.

There are solutions to this, including expensive shoulder mounts, steadicam rigs, and just plain ol' practice, but I haven't licked it personally yet. I would, however, say that the balance issue is just about the only issue I have with the camera.
__________________
Russell Newquist
http://www.russellnewquist.net/
Russell Newquist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 19th, 2004, 11:09 AM   #4
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: DFW area, TX
Posts: 6,108
Images: 1
Russell,

You should look into getting the Lightwave Systems System Isolator for your XL-1. This moves the VF further forward which places the camera further back on your shoulder. It will still be a bit nose heavy but will improve the balance and help reduce operator fatique.

regards,

=gb=
Greg Boston is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 20th, 2004, 01:13 AM   #5
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Montreal, QC, Canada
Posts: 570
Hey Greg, I really don't mean to hijack this thread, but I was wondering if you still had that WA adapter for the 14x lens for sale (saw you mention it in a 2 month old thread). If you do, drop me an Email, I might be interested.

...

As for the topic of this thread, I definitelly feel someone who will be shooting handheld for extended periods of time will want a counter-weight system of some kind. Very front heavy, especially if you're using the 20x lens or the manual one. I won't be looking into that right away since what I do is 90% tripod / steadicam mounted, but if I start doing more run and gun stuff, I will certainly look into it. There must be an inexpensive guerilla way to get the weight redistributed without paying an insane amount.

I saw that Davis & Sanford "Steady-Stick" a while ago on eBay and thought it was a neat idea, but don't know if it works well or not. That might be a really good solution to redistribute the weight to your waist, keep the cam steady and do some limited crane-like moves in an handheld manner. Anyone has some experience with that product?
David Lach is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 20th, 2004, 07:37 AM   #6
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 209
David, as a Montrealer, where do you shop for your gear?
Frederic Segard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 20th, 2004, 07:59 AM   #7
Trustee
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada
Posts: 1,051
When I have to use my XL1 shoulder mounted in a scripted situation (you know, it's the flavor of the month!) I have found that the most comfortable way to do this for me is to rest the MA-100 on my shoulder and holding the camera with the top handle. look: http://sunens.uqac.ca/~jparchib/Albu.../photo_73.html
http://sunens.uqac.ca/~jparchib/Albu.../photo_75.html

If I am on an event, I just use a monopod with a tilt head to give some rest to my arm.

Work great for me.
__________________
Jean-Philippe Archibald
http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib
Jean-Philippe Archibald is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 20th, 2004, 08:26 AM   #8
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: San Mateo, CA
Posts: 3,840
"Loaf of bread" style cams... Hah! Like that designation, I always call them "Coffee-cams" cause their bodies are about the shape and size of a one pound coffee can.

When I shoot with the xl1s, I usually have the dual batt pack on the back... this is a very nice balance for the shoulder position. I know it's expensive as a balance solution, but really once you start shooting with those back there, you never think about running low on power in a run and gun situation.
Richard Alvarez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 20th, 2004, 08:58 AM   #9
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Montreal, QC, Canada
Posts: 570
Frederic, the only physical store I go to regularly in Montreal is L. L. Lozeau. I go there mostly for items I want the warranty there so I don't have to ship it if there's a problem. I also go there for expendables (gels mostly). That's where I bought my XL2 and I must say I got a great price for it. Even with the 3 year extended warranty, it still came out under the usual $5000 US selling price in most US stores. They also have a great customer service.

My other 2 big suppliers are B&H located in New York and even if that might sound strange, eBay. There's great stuff to be found on eBay, but you definitelly have to know how to shop there, what to look for and especially, what to avoid. I've completed thousands of dollars worth in transactions on eBay and you can really get killer deals if you're patient enough (just got a used waveform monitor for the price of a bag of ships and a bunch of very high quality XLR cables for next to nothing).

If you choose the B&H route, the only thing to remember is buy in bulk or don't buy. Because for Canadian addresses, it will cost about as much to ship a single sheet of CTO than it would to ship dozens of items. They charge a $20 US minimum fee on shipping for items going to Canada, but the more you add items after that, the more you save.
David Lach is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Canon EOS / MXF / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Canon HDV and DV Camera Systems > Canon XL and GL Series DV Camcorders

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:09 AM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network