My XL2 Impressions at DVinfo.net

Joseph Andolina · May 24th, 2005, 07:02 PM

Wanted to take a few moments to share a couple of my impressions, which might or might not reflect what's already been said in the past. I recently did a gig recording a rap Artist at a sound check, and later the show itself. it was at the Tacoma Dome in Tacoma WA. Did the whole shoot handheld. Depending on what angle I was shooting on, I got to admit that the front weight of the camera was a bit taxing on my back after not too long. (A back brace certainly would have come in handy:) And also had a difficult time balancing the camera on my shoulder without having to brace part of the camera with my other hand. I've got to still work out a way to compensate. (so any recomendations from others would be more than welcome). And I'm still trying to get used to focusing with the color viewfinder it comes with. I'd rather be able to use a external monitor instead if I get the opportunity. As far as picture quality. I'm more than impressed, especially if it's under the right lighting conditions. I've been experimenting with different shutter and gain settings. But over all, I just love the look of what I'm getting so far. Especially when shooting in 16:9, regardless of 24p or 60I mode. It also impresses me that even in 60I, it looks less like video to me. and of course, when some of my friends see the 16:9 footage, the usual comment is, "it looks like a movie!" I love the way the camera handles shadowed areas. I did a quick experiment in my appartment one night, and set up some film noir type lighting, leaving some areas in complete shadow. The end result impressed me. I couldn't see any detail at all, just total blackness where the shadowed areas were, which was what I was tyring to acheive. I guess I was expecting to see lesser positive results. Well, there's a lot more I can reflect upon, but got to go for now. But to say i'm excited so far with the camera is an understatement.

Matthew Nayman · May 24th, 2005, 08:25 PM

Want to see my impression of an XL2?

*does impression of XL2*

BRILLIANT!

John Sandel · May 24th, 2005, 08:34 PM

Who says Frank Gorshin is dead?

Joe, thanks for your comments.

David Lach · May 24th, 2005, 08:38 PM

To compensate for the awkward balance, try to add weight to the back of the camera or add a rig that will transfer weight. I use a Steady Stick which works quite admirably, there's also the DV Rig Pro but I can't comment on its use. Of course if you want to raise the coolness factor, get a vest & arm steadycam! ;-)

Jean-Philippe Archibald · May 25th, 2005, 06:35 AM

Quote:

To compensate for the awkward balance, try to add weight to the back of the camera or add a rig that will transfer weight. I use a Steady Stick which works quite admirably, there's also the DV Rig Pro but I can't comment on its use. Of course if you want to raise the coolness factor, get a vest & arm steadycam! ;-)

The steadycam will definitly add to the coolness factor and smooth the footage, but will do nothing for pain in the back on long shots :)

Van Berghe · May 25th, 2005, 07:46 AM

The xl2 is undoubtedly front heavy, but there's an easy solution. Many people
buy a three hundred dollar shoulder brace unit for the xl2 because it transfers
the weight not only to the shoulder but, more importantly, to a front handle that
sits below the lens (thus compensating for the forward tilt of canon's iconic
lens). I have to say, though, that it's ridiculous to spend several hundred bucks
on what one can easily make for, say, ten dollars. I bought a few wheel chair
parts for pennies at the goodwill center a made a rig that's adjustable, affordable, and--best of all--I think it works better than many of the expensive
rigs. I fixed it so that the handle is very far forward and that a triangle is
formed by the a) support platform that the camera mounts to, b) an aluminum
pipe that extends from the platform to a hip belt, and c) my sternum. It's worked well for news capture, documentary work, and performances.

Cheers,

Van

David Lach · May 25th, 2005, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean-Philippe Archibald

The steadycam will definitly add to the coolness factor and smooth the footage, but will do nothing for pain in the back on long shots :)

Time for sit ups! And who needs a healthy back with that much coolness?

er... ok I admit I was kidding with the steadycam part, in case that wasn't clear. The other 2 rigs are legit choices though.

Van Berghe · May 25th, 2005, 07:53 AM

Let's face it: when engaged in video art one has to decide whether
to buy, buy, buy, buy new gear (because yes, it's addicting) or to
be a bit more puritanical and use what one has. Gear or talent? I
hope there's a balance between the two.

van

David Lach · May 25th, 2005, 09:05 AM

No pun intended Van, but that balance is pretty hard to achieve with the XL2, as it is a modular camera that will tremendously benefit from added accessories such as the FU-1000 or different lenses.

Plus the physical balance is a real issue. Trust me, no matter your talent, if you shoot all day without support, only handheld, with a FU-1000 pulling the camera to the left and the 20x lens pulling the camera at the front, you'll have some seriously hurting wrists and arms at the end of the day.

Josh Mellicker · May 25th, 2005, 12:48 PM

There's a video of the SteadyStick on this page:

http://www.dvcreators.net/products/steadystick.html

Matthew Nayman · May 25th, 2005, 03:20 PM

In all honesty, the dual battery pack at the back eens things out pretty well. Also, a matte box with rails with a nice left-hand hold.

Joseph Andolina · May 29th, 2005, 03:34 PM

thanks all for your responses :)

Kevin Janisch · May 30th, 2005, 12:18 PM

I recently acquired a Tiffen Steady Stick and it is fantastic as far as taking the weight off of your arm. I went on a 5 hour whale tour, and this would of simply been impossible without the Steady Stick as far as being able to hold the camera in a ready position the entire duration. You do lose some flexibility, but it has a quick release mechanism for those moments you need to go handheld. A great investment at $120 after rushed shipping from ebay.

Kevin

Mark Sasahara · May 31st, 2005, 11:27 PM

Hey Matthew,

Could you do that XL2 impression again? I missed it the first time.

Thanks in advance,

-M

Lucinda Luvaas · June 1st, 2005, 01:09 AM

It is really hard to hold the cam for a long time. I tried holding it in front of me with my left hand under the lens, but that's awkward as well. So, I just ordered the battery pack to balance the front and back. Now I'm worried. Could someone tell me if this will help? I'll know in a few days....I'm sure interested in the wheel chair rig, but couldn't get a picture in my mind of it in terms of making one myself. Any better imagery on that one?

Lucinda

May 24th, 2005, 07:02 PM	#1
Joseph Andolina Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 178	My XL2 Impressions Wanted to take a few moments to share a couple of my impressions, which might or might not reflect what's already been said in the past. I recently did a gig recording a rap Artist at a sound check, and later the show itself. it was at the Tacoma Dome in Tacoma WA. Did the whole shoot handheld. Depending on what angle I was shooting on, I got to admit that the front weight of the camera was a bit taxing on my back after not too long. (A back brace certainly would have come in handy:) And also had a difficult time balancing the camera on my shoulder without having to brace part of the camera with my other hand. I've got to still work out a way to compensate. (so any recomendations from others would be more than welcome). And I'm still trying to get used to focusing with the color viewfinder it comes with. I'd rather be able to use a external monitor instead if I get the opportunity. As far as picture quality. I'm more than impressed, especially if it's under the right lighting conditions. I've been experimenting with different shutter and gain settings. But over all, I just love the look of what I'm getting so far. Especially when shooting in 16:9, regardless of 24p or 60I mode. It also impresses me that even in 60I, it looks less like video to me. and of course, when some of my friends see the 16:9 footage, the usual comment is, "it looks like a movie!" I love the way the camera handles shadowed areas. I did a quick experiment in my appartment one night, and set up some film noir type lighting, leaving some areas in complete shadow. The end result impressed me. I couldn't see any detail at all, just total blackness where the shadowed areas were, which was what I was tyring to acheive. I guess I was expecting to see lesser positive results. Well, there's a lot more I can reflect upon, but got to go for now. But to say i'm excited so far with the camera is an understatement.

May 24th, 2005, 08:34 PM	#3
John Sandel Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: stately Eldora Road Posts: 386	My God, the brilliance is blinding Who says Frank Gorshin is dead? Joe, thanks for your comments.

May 25th, 2005, 07:46 AM	#6
Van Berghe New Boot Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 8	easy solution The xl2 is undoubtedly front heavy, but there's an easy solution. Many people buy a three hundred dollar shoulder brace unit for the xl2 because it transfers the weight not only to the shoulder but, more importantly, to a front handle that sits below the lens (thus compensating for the forward tilt of canon's iconic lens). I have to say, though, that it's ridiculous to spend several hundred bucks on what one can easily make for, say, ten dollars. I bought a few wheel chair parts for pennies at the goodwill center a made a rig that's adjustable, affordable, and--best of all--I think it works better than many of the expensive rigs. I fixed it so that the handle is very far forward and that a triangle is formed by the a) support platform that the camera mounts to, b) an aluminum pipe that extends from the platform to a hip belt, and c) my sternum. It's worked well for news capture, documentary work, and performances. Cheers, Van

May 25th, 2005, 07:53 AM	#8
Van Berghe New Boot Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 8	hedonist or puritan? Let's face it: when engaged in video art one has to decide whether to buy, buy, buy, buy new gear (because yes, it's addicting) or to be a bit more puritanical and use what one has. Gear or talent? I hope there's a balance between the two. van

May 31st, 2005, 11:27 PM	#14
Mark Sasahara Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 649	Hey Matthew, Could you do that XL2 impression again? I missed it the first time. Thanks in advance, -M __________________ Mark Sasahara Director of Photography

May 24th, 2005, 08:25 PM	#2
Matthew Nayman Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 917	Want to see my impression of an XL2? does impression of XL2 BRILLIANT!

May 24th, 2005, 08:38 PM	#4
David Lach Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, QC, Canada Posts: 570	To compensate for the awkward balance, try to add weight to the back of the camera or add a rig that will transfer weight. I use a Steady Stick which works quite admirably, there's also the DV Rig Pro but I can't comment on its use. Of course if you want to raise the coolness factor, get a vest & arm steadycam! ;-)

May 25th, 2005, 09:05 AM	#9
David Lach Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, QC, Canada Posts: 570	No pun intended Van, but that balance is pretty hard to achieve with the XL2, as it is a modular camera that will tremendously benefit from added accessories such as the FU-1000 or different lenses. Plus the physical balance is a real issue. Trust me, no matter your talent, if you shoot all day without support, only handheld, with a FU-1000 pulling the camera to the left and the 20x lens pulling the camera at the front, you'll have some seriously hurting wrists and arms at the end of the day.

May 25th, 2005, 12:48 PM	#10
Josh Mellicker DV Creators Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 91	There's a video of the SteadyStick on this page: http://www.dvcreators.net/products/steadystick.html

May 25th, 2005, 03:20 PM	#11
Matthew Nayman Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 917	In all honesty, the dual battery pack at the back eens things out pretty well. Also, a matte box with rails with a nice left-hand hold.

May 29th, 2005, 03:34 PM	#12
Joseph Andolina Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 178	thanks all for your responses :)

May 30th, 2005, 12:18 PM	#13
Kevin Janisch Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 406	I recently acquired a Tiffen Steady Stick and it is fantastic as far as taking the weight off of your arm. I went on a 5 hour whale tour, and this would of simply been impossible without the Steady Stick as far as being able to hold the camera in a ready position the entire duration. You do lose some flexibility, but it has a quick release mechanism for those moments you need to go handheld. A great investment at $120 after rushed shipping from ebay. Kevin

June 1st, 2005, 01:09 AM	#15
Lucinda Luvaas Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 233	It is really hard to hold the cam for a long time. I tried holding it in front of me with my left hand under the lens, but that's awkward as well. So, I just ordered the battery pack to balance the front and back. Now I'm worried. Could someone tell me if this will help? I'll know in a few days....I'm sure interested in the wheel chair rig, but couldn't get a picture in my mind of it in terms of making one myself. Any better imagery on that one? Lucinda