3 quick questions regarding the H1 camera at DVinfo.net

Roy Beazley · December 1st, 2007, 05:19 PM

1) Will the 3x lens from the xl 1 series fit on this camera and still shoot good HD footage?

2)I'm shooting a music video in HD with the H1 next week and I did want the "film look" somewhat but not sure about the 24 frame rate because there will be quite abit of movement in this shoot. I didn't want the strobbing going on.
So what should I shoot this in to get the look without using 24f? Maybe 30p? Does it have it?

3) I've used the xl 1 and xl 2's alot!! So is there much difference that I should be aware of since I have not shot with this camera at all? I am reading through the thoughts and advice column right now.

Thanks for any info at all on this....I really do appreciate it.

Tony B.

Daniel Epstein · December 1st, 2007, 07:28 PM

Lets try and answer your questions

1 3X Lens will fit but results are not great. Your results may vary. The 6X Wide made for the camera gets great reviews

2 Yes the camera has 30F which might make you happier than 24F. It is your call if it doesn't look film like enough for your production

3 There is enough of a difference that you might not feel comfortable with every control. You should check out the Custom settings to adjust the look of the camera to your taste.

Good Luck

Benjamin Hill · December 1st, 2007, 07:39 PM

1) Not sure about the XL1 lens (never tried), but the 6x HD lens is nice if you want a wide angle.

2) If you want film look shoot 24F and have a good camera operator. In my experience strobing in 24F/24P usually has had more to do with camera movement than the format itself. The XL H1 does have 30F as well though if you want something in-between.

3) In my experience the most critical difference is FOCUS; very unforgiving in HD so use peaking/magnification features or get a good HD monitor.

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Originally Posted by Roy Beazley

1) Will the 3x lens from the xl 1 series fit on this camera and still shoot good HD footage?

2)I'm shooting a music video in HD with the H1 next week and I did want the "film look" somewhat but not sure about the 24 frame rate because there will be quite abit of movement in this shoot. I didn't want the strobbing going on.
So what should I shoot this in to get the look without using 24f? Maybe 30p? Does it have it?

3) I've used the xl 1 and xl 2's alot!! So is there much difference that I should be aware of since I have not shot with this camera at all? I am reading through the thoughts and advice column right now.

Thanks for any info at all on this....I really do appreciate it.

Tony B.

Harry Bromley-Davenport · December 1st, 2007, 10:47 PM

The 3x lens is just fine. We've used it interchanged with the stock lens and the manual 16x with no problems. A little cc fixes any problems.

You'll find the 24f will work well for you.

Shot two features over the last 18 months using the above and all went well.

Have no fear.

Harry

Patrick Byers · December 2nd, 2007, 12:47 PM

No question about it. The biggest difference between XL1 and H1 is focus. Whenever possible, avoid auto-focus. What appear to be slight variations as the camera "searches" for your focal point are accentuated in HD.

Harry Bromley-Davenport · December 2nd, 2007, 01:02 PM

Yes, in HD 1080f the auto focus is useless. It's better in interlaced and acceptable in SD, though.

Harry

Roy Beazley · December 2nd, 2007, 08:43 PM

I do appreciate the insight on this. I will keep it all in mind.

Thanks for the help,
Tony B.

Roy Beazley · December 12th, 2007, 11:38 PM

The shoot went well .Thanks for your insight guys thanks.

Tony B.

Taky Cheung · December 12th, 2007, 11:42 PM

which mode did you finally shot in? 24F or 30F? I tried 30F recently. The result is very nice. The slo-mo is not as nice as 60i but still quite good.

Roy Beazley · December 12th, 2007, 11:46 PM

I went with the 30F , it looked very good!!!!

Taky Cheung · December 12th, 2007, 11:50 PM

That's what I am experiencing now. I use both XH-A1 and HV20 in weddings. I have been doing 60i but just not happy with the "home video" look. Now I'm thinking of shooting 30F with A1 and 24P in HV20. The 24P mode in HV20 is actually have pulldowns inserted so it is a 60i stream 30fps vidoe with the 24p look. I will have to find out how good mixing footages from these 2 cameras.

Norman Woo · December 13th, 2007, 04:00 PM

Hi Roy (or Tony B?)

Since you have shot with the XL1, how do you compare the 30F of the H1 to the FRAME mode of the XL1? I believe the FRAME mode of the XL1 is 30P?

Regards

Roy Beazley · December 14th, 2007, 06:47 PM

I do remember vaguely the frame rate on the xl1 ...I like the H1 alot better...just now seeing what I shot last week with the 30F ...its looks great!!! It's less stroby than the xl1...

December 1st, 2007, 05:19 PM	#1
Roy Beazley Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: tampa fl Posts: 92	3 quick questions regarding the H1 camera 1) Will the 3x lens from the xl 1 series fit on this camera and still shoot good HD footage? 2)I'm shooting a music video in HD with the H1 next week and I did want the "film look" somewhat but not sure about the 24 frame rate because there will be quite abit of movement in this shoot. I didn't want the strobbing going on. So what should I shoot this in to get the look without using 24f? Maybe 30p? Does it have it? 3) I've used the xl 1 and xl 2's alot!! So is there much difference that I should be aware of since I have not shot with this camera at all? I am reading through the thoughts and advice column right now. Thanks for any info at all on this....I really do appreciate it. Tony B. Last edited by Roy Beazley; December 1st, 2007 at 06:03 PM.

December 13th, 2007, 04:00 PM	#12
Norman Woo Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Brossard, Quebec, Canada Posts: 147	Hi Roy (or Tony B?) Since you have shot with the XL1, how do you compare the 30F of the H1 to the FRAME mode of the XL1? I believe the FRAME mode of the XL1 is 30P? Regards Last edited by Norman Woo; December 13th, 2007 at 04:01 PM. Reason: Spelling

December 1st, 2007, 07:28 PM	#2
Daniel Epstein Trustee Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,267	Lets try and answer your questions 1 3X Lens will fit but results are not great. Your results may vary. The 6X Wide made for the camera gets great reviews 2 Yes the camera has 30F which might make you happier than 24F. It is your call if it doesn't look film like enough for your production 3 There is enough of a difference that you might not feel comfortable with every control. You should check out the Custom settings to adjust the look of the camera to your taste. Good Luck

December 1st, 2007, 10:47 PM	#4
Harry Bromley-Davenport Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: LA CA Posts: 317	The 3x lens is just fine. We've used it interchanged with the stock lens and the manual 16x with no problems. A little cc fixes any problems. You'll find the 24f will work well for you. Shot two features over the last 18 months using the above and all went well. Have no fear. Harry

December 2nd, 2007, 12:47 PM	#5
Patrick Byers Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, TX Posts: 40	No question about it. The biggest difference between XL1 and H1 is focus. Whenever possible, avoid auto-focus. What appear to be slight variations as the camera "searches" for your focal point are accentuated in HD.

December 2nd, 2007, 01:02 PM	#6
Harry Bromley-Davenport Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: LA CA Posts: 317	Yes, in HD 1080f the auto focus is useless. It's better in interlaced and acceptable in SD, though. Harry

December 2nd, 2007, 08:43 PM	#7
Roy Beazley Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: tampa fl Posts: 92	I do appreciate the insight on this. I will keep it all in mind. Thanks for the help, Tony B.

December 12th, 2007, 11:38 PM	#8
Roy Beazley Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: tampa fl Posts: 92	The shoot went well .Thanks for your insight guys thanks. Tony B.

December 12th, 2007, 11:42 PM	#9
Taky Cheung Inner Circle Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 2,114	which mode did you finally shot in? 24F or 30F? I tried 30F recently. The result is very nice. The slo-mo is not as nice as 60i but still quite good.

December 12th, 2007, 11:46 PM	#10
Roy Beazley Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: tampa fl Posts: 92	I went with the 30F , it looked very good!!!!

December 12th, 2007, 11:50 PM	#11
Taky Cheung Inner Circle Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 2,114	That's what I am experiencing now. I use both XH-A1 and HV20 in weddings. I have been doing 60i but just not happy with the "home video" look. Now I'm thinking of shooting 30F with A1 and 24P in HV20. The 24P mode in HV20 is actually have pulldowns inserted so it is a 60i stream 30fps vidoe with the 24p look. I will have to find out how good mixing footages from these 2 cameras.

December 14th, 2007, 06:47 PM	#13
Roy Beazley Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: tampa fl Posts: 92	I do remember vaguely the frame rate on the xl1 ...I like the H1 alot better...just now seeing what I shot last week with the 30F ...its looks great!!! It's less stroby than the xl1...