Anything my XL2 does better than the H1? at DVinfo.net

Jonathan Bergstrom · September 28th, 2005, 10:10 AM

I love my 16x9 24p XL2. But I want more. Is there anything that I will notice as being a downgrade from my XL2? What will I miss about my XL-2 if i trade up? Things like 24p vs. 24f. A switch from the DV to the MPEG compression. Are these things going to dissapoint an XL2 user?

Chris Hurd · September 28th, 2005, 10:18 AM

I can't immediately think of anything that can be seen as a "downgrade" when moving from the XL2 to the XL H1. The biggest pending question of course is 24P compared to 24F, and there's nothing conclusive about that yet. There may be some loss of light sensitivity, which is inherent with small image sensors and HD. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that low-light performance on the XL2 may be better than the XL H1, but that's due to 1/3rd-inch DV compared to 1/3rd-inch HD. All such camcorders are like that.

Jonathan Bergstrom · September 28th, 2005, 10:34 AM

Light sensitivity is a good point. I hadn't thought of that. Not really an issue for me most of the time since I am lighting my shots, but for run and gun stuff, it could be a factor. I will read up on sensitivity with HD chips. Thanks for sheding some...errr..light on the subject.

Marty Hudzik · September 28th, 2005, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Bergstrom

Light sensitivity is a good point. I hadn't thought of that. Not really an issue for me most of the time since I am lighting my shots, but for run and gun stuff, it could be a factor. I will read up on sensitivity with HD chips. Thanks for sheding some...errr..light on the subject.

It won't last forever but an XL2 user who is in love with the 16x manual lens would probably view the inability to use it a downgrade. ( I know it is conpatible but not up to HD qulaity) I am sure Canon will eventually provide a HD quality manual lens. But until that time you would have to use the servo HD lens that comes with it.

Outside of that I cannot really think of anything other than the light sensitivity that Chris mentioned. Canon really nailed it as far as features go.

Steve Nunez · September 28th, 2005, 04:21 PM

You might notice a downgrade in wallet performance.
(thought I'd make you guys smile a sec~~)

Luis Caffesse · September 28th, 2005, 08:30 PM

"You might notice a downgrade in wallet performance."

I like to think of it as making room for all the income that the new camera will generate.
:)

Bill Taka · September 28th, 2005, 09:24 PM

I like this thread - straight to the point. So it seems the 2 most noticeable distinctions (H1 and XL2) are: cost and low light sensitivity. Considering I use my XL2 for outdoor/wildlife and multiple EF lenses, what are the benefits to upgrade to the H1. I don't mind the cost but is it really practical.

Chris Hurd · September 28th, 2005, 10:24 PM

Well Bill in terms of wildlife videography with the EF adapter, there is one more slight downgrade involved. On the XL2, the field-of-view multiplication factor is 7.8x in 16:9 mode and 9.6x in 4:3 mode.

With the XL H1 that factor will drop to 7.2x in 16:9 mode. That will take just a slight edge off of your extreme telephoto work. I'm not sure what it will be in 4:3 mode. Other than this little detail, you'll be enjoying the higher resolution of HDV plus there's a two-megapixel digicam built in... you can record 1920x1080 stills to the memory card while shooting HDV to tape.

Bob Thompson · September 29th, 2005, 12:57 AM

Thanks for that info Chris, I would love to know what the 4:3 magnification would be, like Bill I would use it for wildlife photography.

Keep up the great work

Bob

September 28th, 2005, 10:10 AM	#1
Jonathan Bergstrom New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle, Washington USA Posts: 11	Anything my XL2 does better than the H1? I love my 16x9 24p XL2. But I want more. Is there anything that I will notice as being a downgrade from my XL2? What will I miss about my XL-2 if i trade up? Things like 24p vs. 24f. A switch from the DV to the MPEG compression. Are these things going to dissapoint an XL2 user?

September 28th, 2005, 10:18 AM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	I can't immediately think of anything that can be seen as a "downgrade" when moving from the XL2 to the XL H1. The biggest pending question of course is 24P compared to 24F, and there's nothing conclusive about that yet. There may be some loss of light sensitivity, which is inherent with small image sensors and HD. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that low-light performance on the XL2 may be better than the XL H1, but that's due to 1/3rd-inch DV compared to 1/3rd-inch HD. All such camcorders are like that. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 28th, 2005, 04:21 PM	#5
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	You might notice a downgrade in wallet performance. (thought I'd make you guys smile a sec~~) __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

September 28th, 2005, 08:30 PM	#6
Luis Caffesse Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704	"You might notice a downgrade in wallet performance." I like to think of it as making room for all the income that the new camera will generate. :) __________________ Luis Caffesse Pitch Productions Austin, Texas

September 28th, 2005, 10:24 PM	#8
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Well Bill in terms of wildlife videography with the EF adapter, there is one more slight downgrade involved. On the XL2, the field-of-view multiplication factor is 7.8x in 16:9 mode and 9.6x in 4:3 mode. With the XL H1 that factor will drop to 7.2x in 16:9 mode. That will take just a slight edge off of your extreme telephoto work. I'm not sure what it will be in 4:3 mode. Other than this little detail, you'll be enjoying the higher resolution of HDV plus there's a two-megapixel digicam built in... you can record 1920x1080 stills to the memory card while shooting HDV to tape. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 28th, 2005, 10:34 AM	#3
Jonathan Bergstrom New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle, Washington USA Posts: 11	Light sensitivity is a good point. I hadn't thought of that. Not really an issue for me most of the time since I am lighting my shots, but for run and gun stuff, it could be a factor. I will read up on sensitivity with HD chips. Thanks for sheding some...errr..light on the subject.

September 28th, 2005, 09:24 PM	#7
Bill Taka Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 82	I like this thread - straight to the point. So it seems the 2 most noticeable distinctions (H1 and XL2) are: cost and low light sensitivity. Considering I use my XL2 for outdoor/wildlife and multiple EF lenses, what are the benefits to upgrade to the H1. I don't mind the cost but is it really practical.

September 29th, 2005, 12:57 AM	#9
Bob Thompson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 340	Thanks for that info Chris, I would love to know what the 4:3 magnification would be, like Bill I would use it for wildlife photography. Keep up the great work Bob