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Vincent Rozenberg · January 18th, 2006, 02:47 PM

This is probably an newbie question but I do dare to ask it.. ;-)

I'm browsing the manual and I quote:
30F Mode
Records in 30 fps progressive mode and outputs
signals converted into 60 fps interlaced.

This sounds pretty much similar to the good ol' Frame Mode we know from the Xl1, which I own. Can someone confirm this or not?

If so, can you work with the footage shot in that mode in a standard 60i HDV timeline (FCP for example) without any pulldown or things (just like the XL1 framemode is normal 60i or 50i)? I assume that it works the same then with 50F and 50i in PAL countries (where I live).

Thanks in advance!

Vincent Rozenberg · January 19th, 2006, 02:35 PM

Is this a stupid question or am I to impatient....?

Dan Keaton · January 19th, 2006, 02:48 PM

Dear Vincent,

No, it is not a stupid question.

I am certain someone with the proper expertise will be able to address your question.

It is different, but I do not consider myself expert enough to answer your question. I will attempt to go out on a limb and answer some of the differences. Others with more expertise will add their input.

With the Canon XL-H1, the output is put into an HDV tape stream that can be read by 1080i decks.

The CCD is not a progressive device, it is an interlaced device that is converted through software into a "Frame". This is not called progressive by Canon. Canon, in my opinion is attempting to be very honest.

I hope others will correct any of my misunderstandings. I am a candidate for the XL-H1, but I have not purchased one yet.

Kevin Wild · January 19th, 2006, 03:45 PM

There are numerous topics with more information on this. Just do a search and you will find...

KW

January 18th, 2006, 02:47 PM	#1
Vincent Rozenberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rotterdam, The Netherlands Posts: 475	30F the same as frame mode? This is probably an newbie question but I do dare to ask it.. ;-) I'm browsing the manual and I quote: 30F Mode Records in 30 fps progressive mode and outputs signals converted into 60 fps interlaced. This sounds pretty much similar to the good ol' Frame Mode we know from the Xl1, which I own. Can someone confirm this or not? If so, can you work with the footage shot in that mode in a standard 60i HDV timeline (FCP for example) without any pulldown or things (just like the XL1 framemode is normal 60i or 50i)? I assume that it works the same then with 50F and 50i in PAL countries (where I live). Thanks in advance!

January 19th, 2006, 02:48 PM	#3
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Vincent, No, it is not a stupid question. I am certain someone with the proper expertise will be able to address your question. It is different, but I do not consider myself expert enough to answer your question. I will attempt to go out on a limb and answer some of the differences. Others with more expertise will add their input. With the Canon XL-H1, the output is put into an HDV tape stream that can be read by 1080i decks. The CCD is not a progressive device, it is an interlaced device that is converted through software into a "Frame". This is not called progressive by Canon. Canon, in my opinion is attempting to be very honest. I hope others will correct any of my misunderstandings. I am a candidate for the XL-H1, but I have not purchased one yet. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

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January 19th, 2006, 02:35 PM	#2
Vincent Rozenberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rotterdam, The Netherlands Posts: 475	Is this a stupid question or am I to impatient....?

January 19th, 2006, 03:45 PM	#4
Kevin Wild Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 540	There are numerous topics with more information on this. Just do a search and you will find... KW