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Old February 15th, 2006, 05:22 PM   #1
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Acquiring in 24F for Filmout

Hey guys,

I have heard on 2 separate occasions that one shouldn't shoot in the 24F mode if their intention is for filmout. someone else told me that there was a Canon rep who even said one time that it would be better to shoot in the 60i mode and do a conversion.

This has me confused. I don't see any reason why not to shoot using the 24F mode on the Canon for the purpose of a filmout. It gives you a progressive scan output with the exact motion rendition of 24P (only with a slight resolution loss instead of increase) and allows you to edit in a true 23.98 timeline for a 1-to-1 transfer.

Is there something that I am missing?
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Old February 15th, 2006, 05:53 PM   #2
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Michael,
I think the reason the Canon rep advised you this way has to do with the lack of editing solutions for 24f HDV at this point. In theory 24F HDV should be the way to go. In practice you will be one of the first if you do it. You remember the saying about pioneers being the ones with the arrows in the back. The 60i method is more established since people have had a year to work with it. I think your bigger problem is just getting your 24F footage into the form your system can edit it. If you convert it to a codec like DVCPro 100HD and edit that way instead of HDV then I think you could follow a standard film out procedure.
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Old February 15th, 2006, 06:14 PM   #3
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Thanks Daniel. Indeed that is my current workflow (capture the 24f .m2t file and convert it to a 23.976 DVCPROHD file and edit in a 1080/24p timeline in Final Cut Pro ... it works great!!!).

So in essence, once you have a workflow with 24F, then it is the way to go for a filmout then ...

Anything else I'm missing?
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Old February 15th, 2006, 06:58 PM   #4
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That should be it...if you're happy with the quality of the conversion, then just finish in DVCPROHD for filmout.
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Old February 16th, 2006, 03:29 AM   #5
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Actually I think the Canon rep said you should use 50i instead of 25p which is big difference 'cos with 50i all you have to do is deintelace while there is no way to render 60i exactly like 24p.
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Old February 16th, 2006, 08:47 AM   #6
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I do think you should try a test with your filmout provider to see what it looks like just in case something doesn't show up on your small screens which becomes apparent on the large screen
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Old February 23rd, 2006, 08:07 PM   #7
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Thanks Daniel. Indeed that is my current workflow (capture the 24f .m2t file and convert it to a 23.976 DVCPROHD file and edit in a 1080/24p timeline in Final Cut Pro ... it works great!!!).

So in essence, once you have a workflow with 24F, then it is the way to go for a filmout then ...

Anything else I'm missing?
Michael,
How do you bring the 24F into FCP?
Are you using another program...
How much info/res are you loosing
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