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Old March 20th, 2006, 07:15 AM   #1
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Anyone here tried any film lens adaptor on XL H1?

I wonder if anybody have some experience with any film lense adaptor? I'm consider to buy an adaptor from Les Bosher and use with 16mm lens(es) (PL). I know this issue have surfaced before, but I can't remember anyone with hands-on experience! Les Bosher has sold several to XL H1 owners! So please come forward and enlight me!

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http://xl1solutions.com/ADAPTERS.htm
http://www.lesbosher.co.uk/default.htm
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Old March 20th, 2006, 12:39 PM   #2
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I wonder, I wonder , I wonder also
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Old March 20th, 2006, 01:26 PM   #3
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Hi,

Just given Les a ring. Very helpful guy.

Handy to have a guy able to make stuff when needed.

Bit of a drive to Wales though!!

Thanks for link.

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Old March 20th, 2006, 03:31 PM   #4
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2X increase??? Correct me if I'm wrong...but I don't think the XL-Solutions website is correct in describing that the adaptor only increases the lens by a factor of two.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 03:35 PM   #5
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magnification and price for les bosher adapter

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I wonder if anybody have some experience with any film lense adaptor? I'm consider to buy an adaptor from Les Bosher and use with 16mm lens(es) (PL). I know this issue have surfaced before, but I can't remember anyone with hands-on experience! Les Bosher has sold several to XL H1 owners! So please come forward and enlight me!

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http://xl1solutions.com/ADAPTERS.htm
http://www.lesbosher.co.uk/default.htm
Hello Jonas,

Do you know the magnification spec for the Les Bosher adapter? The XL1 solutions is listed at 2x. That number seems a little more tolerable than the 7.xx and 9.xxx, depending on 4x3 or 16x9 mode, for the Canon adapter.

Also, do you know the price of the Bosher unit? Just curious, the website is a little lacking in some of the details.

Any information you have will be greatly appreciated.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 03:39 PM   #6
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I think that the PL mount adapter is still a 0.7X & 0.9X increase factor on the XL series of bodies, as well as when using the Les Bosher ones.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 03:51 PM   #7
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2X increase??? Correct me if I'm wrong...but I don't think the XL-Solutions website is correct in describing that the adaptor only increases the lens by a factor of two.
Hello Tony,

I was curious about that number. I read some old posts from a few years back in which some people were questioning the Xl solutions magnification factor. Maybe that number is too good to be true????? I wonder too.

You own the Bosher model correct? Is its magnification factor around 7.xx or 9.xx?

Thanks for the reply. I was a bit too slow in the typing.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 04:04 PM   #8
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ALL the adapters are either O.7X on the XL1s, or 0.9X on the XL2...the same on the XL-H1.

If the PL adapter produced only a X2 factor, then I'd be the first to buy one.

I contacted the XL-solutions website early last year, and the admitted that the 2X factor was incorrect. I can't see how this one is any different...unless the combined PL adapter + back-focus adapter + lens somehow provides only a 2 X magnification. I don't see it somehow.

The only true way that I know to maintain a magnification below .7X/.9X is with the expensive 35mm adapters such as P+S etc.
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Old March 21st, 2006, 02:04 AM   #9
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X2 Math

Yes it seems to be a little bit to good to be true. But anyway here is the math (according to me).

X2 is valid only if you use 16mm lenses. CCD on XL H1 should be 8mm diagonal (16:9), right. On a 16mm camera, it is 16 mm - it should end up in X2.

Can it be like this?
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Old March 21st, 2006, 02:26 AM   #10
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I'm sure that using a wide angle lens used for 16mm film on the XL camera body would cause problems if you tried to maintain a wide angle, due to the extended telephoto affect plus viewing only the central section of the lens and the added problem of vignetting caused by moving the original lens forward from the XL bayonet mount. I'll ask Les what he thinks.
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Old March 21st, 2006, 02:32 AM   #11
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Thanks Tony

Keep me/us posted. Should be great to have a lens option for the XL H1!
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Old March 21st, 2006, 04:54 AM   #12
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I've just had a very long and interesting chat with Les. For my purposes, the need for a sharp wide angle is the most important criteria. We discussed everything, plus all the options, and the widest lenses to use - such as the the Cooke and Schneider lenses, or the Kinoptic 5.7, or the much cheaper Angenieux 5.9 (can be found on Ebay) etc.

There are three different Arriflex mounts (and Les will make all of them to fit the XL1/2/H1 if you want)...but, and this is a big but as far as I'm concerned...even if I bought the Angenieux 5.9 lens and XL adapter, it would still not provide an image any wider than the widest setting on the original 16X or 20X lenses. So, for all of us craving that quality fixed prime wide, or quality wide zoom to fit the XL1/2/H1 series of bodies...then our only options are still original Canon 3X SD lens or wide-angle adapters that screw on the front of the original lens...or the maga expensive P+S etc.

We even discussed the possibility of using 8mm video lenses via an adapter on the XL, which is possible, although the quality of those lenses may be suspect in most cases compared to the original XL lenses.

The only real benefit to use the PL or other 16mm film type lenses mounted on the XL bodies is if someone prefers to use a film lens equivalent somewhere in the range that the Canon 16X or 20X lenses already provide.

Back to the drawing board…and patiently waiting for Canon to bring out a new HD 3X & 16 X manual lens…that will cost so much on the Autumn release date, that it still has most of relying on our Canon SD options for fear of needing to re-mortgage the house…
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Old March 21st, 2006, 05:27 AM   #13
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Thanks for info

I agree, what we are craving for is a good wide. Or a bunch of good sledgehammers. Maybe you can get a slightly more film-look with 16mm lenses - but in the end of the day, will anybody see the difference? The DOF is still what it is.
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