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Old May 12th, 2006, 01:14 AM   #1
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clean heads frequently

The manual suggests cleaning the heads frequently. What is frequently?

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Old May 12th, 2006, 01:29 AM   #2
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Christopher,

I bought my H1 this week and the dealer (in the biz 20+ years) told me only to use the cleaning tape only in an emergency. He advised me to take it in once a year for a pro cleaning. He also said to use only one brand of tape.

I would be interested in others opinions.

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Old May 12th, 2006, 01:54 AM   #3
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I second Ken's advice. Send the H1 in to Canon Service at least once per year (preferably twice per year if used heavily) for a thorough, professional cleaning. Definitely stick with one brand of tape. Stay away from cheap tape. Buy the best tape you can afford. Use a head cleaning cassette sparingly.
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Old May 12th, 2006, 10:31 AM   #4
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My H1 experience, even sticking with one brand of tape and only using the tapes once is that if you don't clean the heads regularly you will get drop outs.
Sony professional recommend the use of head cleaning tapes as if used correctly they will prolong the life of the heads by returning the head tips to the correct profile. Modern cleaning cassettes are no where near as abrasive as the old vhs head cleaning tapes used to be. My recommendation would be to run a cleaning tape for 10 seconds once every 10 to 15 hours.

You should also have the tape transport wet cleaned every 200 hours.

New cameras tend to get head clogs as it takes a dozen tapes for the heads to adjust the tip profiles to match the tapes being used.
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Old May 12th, 2006, 04:06 PM   #5
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I stated this elsewhere here, but it might be worth repeating: I used to have drop-out problems quite frequently w/ my XL-1s, but ever since I regularly use a cleaning tape (5-10 s of application every 2-5 hrs of head-to-tape contact), I haven't had a single drop-out.

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Old May 12th, 2006, 05:12 PM   #6
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I've always been reading only clean head when you get dropouts or the camera says to clean it to save on wear. But now it seems people here are saying clean them very frequently. What's up with this?

So clean often or not?
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Old May 12th, 2006, 05:35 PM   #7
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I would. Most of the shoots I do with the camera are much more expensive (salaries, support equipment, location fees, models, etc...) than a tape head replacement. I'd rather have a shorter lifespan than an expensive scene ruined by a dropout. But that's just me. :)
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Old May 12th, 2006, 06:07 PM   #8
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However, not everyone is in your same sort of situation. I am in a situation where there are no salaries, etc. involved. There is no such thing as an expensive shoot because it's free for me. So the equipment is worth much more than anything else and as such I would like to perserve it as much as possible. To clean often or only when necessary?
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Old May 12th, 2006, 09:50 PM   #9
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I just shot 20 x 1 hour Sony "Digital Master" tapes and did not experience any dropouts. If you also count the time spent digitising using the camera as tape deck (including re-do's) that's about 50 hours of tape that's gone through the camera without any dropouts that I can tell.

In any case, I'm sure the heads need cleaning now.

Can anyone please advise on the very best head cleaning tape in existence?

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Old May 12th, 2006, 11:07 PM   #10
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I just shot 20 x 1 hour Sony "Digital Master" tapes and did not experience any dropouts. If you also count the time spent digitising using the camera as tape deck (including re-do's) that's about 50 hours of tape that's gone through the camera without any dropouts that I can tell.

In any case, I'm sure the heads need cleaning now.

Can anyone please advise on the very best head cleaning tape in existence?

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You use your camera as a deck? I almost went ballistic on someone for using my DVX for a deck. I usually clean my heads between tape brands. I've lifted the ban on Sony tapes (somewhat) but I still prefer Panasonic/Fuji. I'm using Maxell now so I clean the heads between brands. I consider Panasonic and Fuji the same brand though.

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Old May 12th, 2006, 11:36 PM   #11
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You use your camera as a deck?
Until a deck is available, what other option do we have?

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Old May 13th, 2006, 03:00 AM   #12
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Thank you, Christopher.

And now can someone please suggest a good brand of head cleaning tape?

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Old May 13th, 2006, 08:23 AM   #13
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I use the Sony cleaning tape that came with the Sony deck. I figure if I should stick with one brand of tape, I'll extrapolate that out to using the same brand of head cleaner. I use it for 10 seconds whenever I open a new box of Digital Master tapes.. That may be more often than needed, but I shoot things that can't be repeated and I'd rather be safe than sorry..

By the way, when I first got the H1 there were comments on this site and others about the horrors of drop outs and how we (HDV users) were all going to be condemned to GOP hell... The part that worried me the most was losing AUDIO.. I can cut around picture, but it's more difficult with sound (dialog).

As a result I got a Tascam HD P2 as soon as they came out. I have my soundman send me a wireless signal to the camera while he records simultaneously on the Tascam flashcard. It's basically the same for him because he used to do this with a Shure mixer... It gives me peace of mind, but....

I haven't had a single drop out on the H1 and I'm well into my seventh box of ten tapes... Steve Rosen
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Old May 13th, 2006, 08:32 AM   #14
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Until a deck is available, what other option do we have?

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You would think someone would've come up with a deck or something by now. I think maybe they expect you to use a direct to disk system or something because using your cam as a deck is murder on the heads.

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Old May 13th, 2006, 05:40 PM   #15
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What is more amazing is that Canon won't even comment on the lack of a deck, it really is pretty poor customer response... So far tapeless solutions haven't solved the problem either (at least I've only read problems, not sollutions)...

I shoot and edit hours of tape for projects and can't work without a deck and I can't go through all the machinizations that I've read to currently work with 24f, so I shoot 1080i - and as I said in another post, am happy enough with the image to live with it.

But it's the principle of the thing - why offer 24f and 30f if you can't make films with it?
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