XLH1 24P to HDCAM which route? at DVinfo.net

Kaku Ito · May 9th, 2007, 12:46 AM

Has anyone tried mastering XLH1 HDV 24P material to HDCAM?

Would it be better to once export the file to uncompressed then use Decklink HD's HDSDI to HDCAM? Or would it be the same directly outputting HDV 24P material to HDCAM via HDSDI?

Also, would HDCAM record okay if the timeline is set to handle superwhite?

Nick Hiltgen · May 9th, 2007, 11:42 PM

Kaku I'm not 100% on this but I'll try and answer as best I can.

If you're trying to get 24psf (I.E. you're using the f series of HDCAM decks or SRW or that 2000 deck) then youneed to use the decklink to take your 24 frame timeline to send out to the hd-sdi deck. If you're doing 60i you cna jsut use the output of the camera.

Anyone else got better input?

Will Griffith · May 10th, 2007, 07:32 AM

I would make a new timeline and output UC 10Bit HDSDI.
Using superwhite with FCP combined with any lossy codec
such as HDCAM will clip your whites. It is a Quictime
conversion problem. So just stick with an uncompressed timeline.

Kaku Ito · May 10th, 2007, 09:46 AM

Thanks Nick for trying anyway, yeh the deck is 2000, but my question was more like the quality thing just as Will nailed that issue. Thanks bunch tho.

Will, thanks. That is the answer I wanted.
Do you think exporting HDV timeline to uncompressed won't be good? Would it have to be 10bit instead of 8bit?

Thank God the ATTO SAS/SATAII RAID card with 8 barracuda drives in the Enhanced Tech 8 bay chassis is running 500MB/sec read/write if I had to use 10bit.

Will Griffith · May 10th, 2007, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaku Ito

Do you think exporting HDV timeline to uncompressed won't be good? Would it have to be 10bit instead of 8bit?
Thank God the ATTO SAS/SATAII RAID card with 8 barracuda drives in the Enhanced Tech 8 bay chassis is running 500MB/sec read/write if I had to use 10bit.

just drop the hdv timeline in a 10bit sequence and render.
or export a qt reference movie and drop it in.

that raid should work fine. we capture/playback 10bit 1080i/p with a 5 drive SATA.

Kaku Ito · May 10th, 2007, 09:00 PM

I got the ATTO ExpressSAS R380 and it is great. The connectors are so much better and professional than eSATA solutions.

I will do the testing with the 10bit, thanks Will.

I will post HDCAM to FCP at uncompressed clip to share maybe. If you folks want to see it.

Kaku Ito · May 20th, 2007, 07:39 PM

Will,

I took a closer look to the XL H1 project that I'm helping to master to HDCAM, but I see moving grains and some compression artifacts on the clips while monitoring the signal throught the input/output route (without recording). The camera work is not that busy neither.

Would by capturing HDV as HDV in the FCP be lower than AIC and ending up having more compressions?

Kaku Ito · May 22nd, 2007, 09:37 AM

We forwarded the HDCAM tape which contains the output from XL H1 via Decklink HD Extreme's HDSDI this week and the lab told us it was satisfactory.
Since it was regular HDCAM (3:1:1) and it wasn't HDCAM SR (4:2:2), we tested to see if lab says okay with 8 bit output.

We are going to try with mastering on HDCAM SR a couple of weeks from now.
I will let you folks know how the result would be. In that case, I will prepare the timeline with 10bit format.

Kaku Ito · June 1st, 2007, 08:09 AM

I just got note from the filmmaker that they checked the outcome of the XL H1 shot movie on film and everybody was satisfied!

So, the flow was like following;

The shot the movie with three XL H1s, using all usual film making rigs.
Edit the footage on Final Cut Pro, monitoring with Matrox MXO and Eizo S2411W (connected via DVI). Then copied the FCP project data on Maxtor One Touch III firewire drive and brought it to us, Musetex. At our studio, we used Mac Pro 8 Core/FCP/Blackmagic Decklink HD Extreme/ATTO SAS RAID Adaptor R380 with 8 Barracuda 10 drives and master the project timelines to HDCAM (8bit 4:2:2).

The lab probably took it to 10bit (4:4:4) to do the color correction then to 35 mm film.

They reviewed it on reagular theater size screen and the cats were satisfied!

Thank you all for the help.

Will Griffith · June 1st, 2007, 08:21 AM

Congratulations.

Will there be a website for the film?

Kaku Ito · June 1st, 2007, 11:48 AM

I would think so, the film should be coming in Nov., but features one of the most popular actor in Japan, Joe Odagiri.
I will let you know more about it when they are available.

Kaku Ito · June 10th, 2007, 10:29 AM

Hi, more update.

Today, I got a call from the director person at the lab and they were all satisfied with the quality from XL H1 to blackmagic decklink HD Extreme to HDCAM. They said what got on HDCAM look pretty much identical to what was on XL H1. Now they are doing some more editing in the studio with effects and color correction.

I will make a report when I go to see the premiere show.

Kaku Ito · November 10th, 2007, 07:30 AM

The film I helped with members help here just got started showing at theaters all over Japan.

Here's the link for the details in English.
http://stylejam.co.jp/english/movie/tenten.html

Thank you for your help.

Darrell Essex · November 29th, 2007, 12:35 AM

Kaku, have you heard any news in Japan about the XL-H1 being updated?XL-H2 maybe!

Darrell
FIRST CINEMA PICTURES

Kaku Ito · November 29th, 2007, 11:56 AM

Nope, not that I know of. Canon had a very conservative booth at InterBEE this year.

May 9th, 2007, 12:46 AM	#1
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	XLH1 24P to HDCAM which route? Has anyone tried mastering XLH1 HDV 24P material to HDCAM? Would it be better to once export the file to uncompressed then use Decklink HD's HDSDI to HDCAM? Or would it be the same directly outputting HDV 24P material to HDCAM via HDSDI? Also, would HDCAM record okay if the timeline is set to handle superwhite?

May 9th, 2007, 11:42 PM	#2
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	Kaku I'm not 100% on this but I'll try and answer as best I can. If you're trying to get 24psf (I.E. you're using the f series of HDCAM decks or SRW or that 2000 deck) then youneed to use the decklink to take your 24 frame timeline to send out to the hd-sdi deck. If you're doing 60i you cna jsut use the output of the camera. Anyone else got better input? __________________ I have a dream that one day canon will release a 35mm ef to xl adapter and I'll have iris control and a 35mm dof of all my ef lenses, and it will be awesome...

May 10th, 2007, 07:32 AM	#3
Will Griffith Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tennessee Posts: 164	I would make a new timeline and output UC 10Bit HDSDI. Using superwhite with FCP combined with any lossy codec such as HDCAM will clip your whites. It is a Quictime conversion problem. So just stick with an uncompressed timeline. __________________ will griffith producer/editor

May 20th, 2007, 07:39 PM	#7
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	FCP HDV artifacts? or XL H1 compression artifacts? Will, I took a closer look to the XL H1 project that I'm helping to master to HDCAM, but I see moving grains and some compression artifacts on the clips while monitoring the signal throught the input/output route (without recording). The camera work is not that busy neither. Would by capturing HDV as HDV in the FCP be lower than AIC and ending up having more compressions?

June 1st, 2007, 08:09 AM	#9
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	update on XL H1/HDCAM/Film route I just got note from the filmmaker that they checked the outcome of the XL H1 shot movie on film and everybody was satisfied! So, the flow was like following; The shot the movie with three XL H1s, using all usual film making rigs. Edit the footage on Final Cut Pro, monitoring with Matrox MXO and Eizo S2411W (connected via DVI). Then copied the FCP project data on Maxtor One Touch III firewire drive and brought it to us, Musetex. At our studio, we used Mac Pro 8 Core/FCP/Blackmagic Decklink HD Extreme/ATTO SAS RAID Adaptor R380 with 8 Barracuda 10 drives and master the project timelines to HDCAM (8bit 4:2:2). The lab probably took it to 10bit (4:4:4) to do the color correction then to 35 mm film. They reviewed it on reagular theater size screen and the cats were satisfied! Thank you all for the help.

May 10th, 2007, 09:46 AM	#4
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	Thanks Nick for trying anyway, yeh the deck is 2000, but my question was more like the quality thing just as Will nailed that issue. Thanks bunch tho. Will, thanks. That is the answer I wanted. Do you think exporting HDV timeline to uncompressed won't be good? Would it have to be 10bit instead of 8bit? Thank God the ATTO SAS/SATAII RAID card with 8 barracuda drives in the Enhanced Tech 8 bay chassis is running 500MB/sec read/write if I had to use 10bit.

May 10th, 2007, 09:00 PM	#6
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	I got the ATTO ExpressSAS R380 and it is great. The connectors are so much better and professional than eSATA solutions. I will do the testing with the 10bit, thanks Will. I will post HDCAM to FCP at uncompressed clip to share maybe. If you folks want to see it.

May 22nd, 2007, 09:37 AM	#8
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	We forwarded the HDCAM tape which contains the output from XL H1 via Decklink HD Extreme's HDSDI this week and the lab told us it was satisfactory. Since it was regular HDCAM (3:1:1) and it wasn't HDCAM SR (4:2:2), we tested to see if lab says okay with 8 bit output. We are going to try with mastering on HDCAM SR a couple of weeks from now. I will let you folks know how the result would be. In that case, I will prepare the timeline with 10bit format.

June 1st, 2007, 08:21 AM	#10
Will Griffith Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tennessee Posts: 164	Congratulations. Will there be a website for the film? __________________ will griffith producer/editor

June 1st, 2007, 11:48 AM	#11
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	I would think so, the film should be coming in Nov., but features one of the most popular actor in Japan, Joe Odagiri. I will let you know more about it when they are available.

June 10th, 2007, 10:29 AM	#12
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	Hi, more update. Today, I got a call from the director person at the lab and they were all satisfied with the quality from XL H1 to blackmagic decklink HD Extreme to HDCAM. They said what got on HDCAM look pretty much identical to what was on XL H1. Now they are doing some more editing in the studio with effects and color correction. I will make a report when I go to see the premiere show.

November 10th, 2007, 07:30 AM	#13
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	The film I helped with members help here just got started showing at theaters all over Japan. Here's the link for the details in English. http://stylejam.co.jp/english/movie/tenten.html Thank you for your help.

November 29th, 2007, 12:35 AM	#14
Darrell Essex Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: kelseyville, ca Posts: 123	Kaku, have you heard any news in Japan about the XL-H1 being updated?XL-H2 maybe! Darrell FIRST CINEMA PICTURES __________________ darrell

November 29th, 2007, 11:56 AM	#15
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	Nope, not that I know of. Canon had a very conservative booth at InterBEE this year.