help! simple XL-H1 setup question!! at DVinfo.net

Philip Fass · June 27th, 2007, 11:33 AM

I just got a Firestore FS-C for my H1. Works great manually, but I can't find a "DV Control" or "ext control" setting in the camera's System menu. Are these somewhere else, or am I just not seeing them? (I have looked pretty carefully at the choices.)
Thanks!

Marty Hudzik · June 27th, 2007, 11:44 AM

I wish I could be of more help but all I can offer you at this moment is a "look again". I do not have my camera in front of me so I can't check but I have seen this option in my cameras menu so I know it is there. It is probably buried 2-3 menus deep or something and that is why you are not seeing it.

Good Luck.

Nick Hiltgen · June 27th, 2007, 12:40 PM

Don't have the camera in front of me but what's the next setting on the menu wheel after vtr isn't that an ext. cont setting or something?

Philip Fass · June 27th, 2007, 01:00 PM

The physical wheel on the side of the camera has an ext. control setting, but when it's set to that, I can't even get a menu on the EVF.

I have a hunch that the ext. control setting relates to using Console, and letting the software set iris, focus, etc...whatever it can set. I think the missing DV control is what lets the camera trigger recording on the FS-C.

I'd thought maybe if I kept scrolling down in the System menu, more options would appear. But there's only one screen of them. And I haven't found any indication that DV Control is a submenu item off something else.

I also made sure the Firestore was connected and running, in case the camera could sense whether there was anything to record to.

Is there somewhere on the camera I have to set it to "tapeless" first, since that's how I'm recording?

Marty Hudzik · June 27th, 2007, 01:18 PM

Definitely not on the external wheel....that is for remote contorl of the camera via software or something. It also allows the cameras memory card to be accessed via a PC if I am not mistaken....at least it does this on the A1 from what I have read.

I will be home from work in 2 hours and can check on this as soon as I get there. I definitely recall seeing it....but where?

Marty Hudzik · June 27th, 2007, 01:28 PM

Page 95 of the manual says this:

Open the menu and select system.
Select DV control.
Set it to on.
close the menu.

I then describes how pressing record on the camera will also start record on an external device, etc. etc.

Hope this helps. It shouldn't be hard to find according to the manual but maybe they left something out.

Marty

Philip Fass · June 27th, 2007, 01:51 PM

Marty, I've looked at that page of the manual several times.

Go to the System menu...that I can do!
Select "DV Control"...it just isn't in the list, or I'm not seeing it.

If someone can check the H1's System menu, what items are before and after "DV Control"? Thanks!

Bill Taka · June 27th, 2007, 03:10 PM

DV Control is located in the System 2nd screen between "Char.Rec" and "Iris Dial" if you don't see it, try unplugging your firewire and look again should be there one way or the other

Philip
I just realized something, you're looking for DV Control in the "Vcr Mode" it is not there. Try one of the other modes like TV or Av, you'll find it in the "System" menu in one of those modes.

Philip Fass · June 28th, 2007, 06:59 AM

Bill, wait a minute! What do you mean 2nd screen? I only saw one screenful of listings. Maybe we're getting somewhere now!

P.S. I had the external dial set to "M" when trying to find it.

Chris Hurd · June 28th, 2007, 07:07 AM

When in M Manual mode... or any other shooting mode:

Menu > System > Next Page > DV Control > OnDV

The DV connect symbol will appear in the display, far right, below the battery guage.

If you're not seeing the "Next Page" option in the System menu, it's because the camera is in Card recording mode. Switch it to Camera (Tape) recording mode (the little slide switch on the hand grip) -- click on attached pics for clarification. Hope this helps,

Marty Hudzik · June 28th, 2007, 07:11 AM

Sorry I didn't get a chance to check my menu when I was at home last night. We got some bad storms and I got distracted and then I forgot all about it until this morning when I am back in the office away from my H1.

I'm sure Chris will have the answers in a few minutes.

Philip Fass · June 28th, 2007, 07:14 AM

While we're waiting....why does this seem to be the only message board that's worth a damn in terms of actually getting timely responses?

Others, which may be more specifically focused on a problem I'm trying to solve (and shall remain nameless), are more like ghost towns. Lucky to get an answer within a week.

For me, this is THE board to be on!

Chris Hurd · June 28th, 2007, 07:18 AM

I've edited my post above to include the pics and a solution to your problem -- scroll back up the thread to see it -- hope this helps!

Philip Fass · June 28th, 2007, 07:30 AM

Chris, that totally helps!! Thank you so much! I will go and check this out right now.

If the tape/card switch setting for DV Control was mentioned in the manual, I sure didn't see it!

Philip Fass · June 28th, 2007, 11:37 AM

It worked! My only other question is, what happens if you keep DV C on when you don't need it? Sometimes I'll be using the camera with a PC and DV Rack, which I don't think can be triggered by the cam. So would there be any problem if I left it on all the time anyway?

June 27th, 2007, 11:33 AM	#1
Philip Fass Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Charlotte, VT Posts: 397	help! simple XL-H1 setup question!! I just got a Firestore FS-C for my H1. Works great manually, but I can't find a "DV Control" or "ext control" setting in the camera's System menu. Are these somewhere else, or am I just not seeing them? (I have looked pretty carefully at the choices.) Thanks!

June 27th, 2007, 12:40 PM	#3
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	Don't have the camera in front of me but what's the next setting on the menu wheel after vtr isn't that an ext. cont setting or something? __________________ I have a dream that one day canon will release a 35mm ef to xl adapter and I'll have iris control and a 35mm dof of all my ef lenses, and it will be awesome...

June 28th, 2007, 07:07 AM	#10
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	When in M Manual mode... or any other shooting mode: Menu > System > Next Page > DV Control > OnDV The DV connect symbol will appear in the display, far right, below the battery guage. If you're not seeing the "Next Page" option in the System menu, it's because the camera is in Card recording mode. Switch it to Camera (Tape) recording mode (the little slide switch on the hand grip) -- click on attached pics for clarification. Hope this helps, Attached Thumbnails __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

June 28th, 2007, 07:18 AM	#13
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	I've edited my post above to include the pics and a solution to your problem -- scroll back up the thread to see it -- hope this helps! __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

June 27th, 2007, 11:44 AM	#2
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	I wish I could be of more help but all I can offer you at this moment is a "look again". I do not have my camera in front of me so I can't check but I have seen this option in my cameras menu so I know it is there. It is probably buried 2-3 menus deep or something and that is why you are not seeing it. Good Luck.

June 27th, 2007, 01:00 PM	#4
Philip Fass Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Charlotte, VT Posts: 397	The physical wheel on the side of the camera has an ext. control setting, but when it's set to that, I can't even get a menu on the EVF. I have a hunch that the ext. control setting relates to using Console, and letting the software set iris, focus, etc...whatever it can set. I think the missing DV control is what lets the camera trigger recording on the FS-C. I'd thought maybe if I kept scrolling down in the System menu, more options would appear. But there's only one screen of them. And I haven't found any indication that DV Control is a submenu item off something else. I also made sure the Firestore was connected and running, in case the camera could sense whether there was anything to record to. Is there somewhere on the camera I have to set it to "tapeless" first, since that's how I'm recording?

June 27th, 2007, 01:18 PM	#5
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	Definitely not on the external wheel....that is for remote contorl of the camera via software or something. It also allows the cameras memory card to be accessed via a PC if I am not mistaken....at least it does this on the A1 from what I have read. I will be home from work in 2 hours and can check on this as soon as I get there. I definitely recall seeing it....but where?

June 27th, 2007, 01:28 PM	#6
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	Page 95 of the manual says this: Open the menu and select system. Select DV control. Set it to on. close the menu. I then describes how pressing record on the camera will also start record on an external device, etc. etc. Hope this helps. It shouldn't be hard to find according to the manual but maybe they left something out. Marty

June 27th, 2007, 01:51 PM	#7
Philip Fass Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Charlotte, VT Posts: 397	Marty, I've looked at that page of the manual several times. Go to the System menu...that I can do! Select "DV Control"...it just isn't in the list, or I'm not seeing it. If someone can check the H1's System menu, what items are before and after "DV Control"? Thanks!

June 27th, 2007, 03:10 PM	#8
Bill Taka Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 82	DV Control is located in the System 2nd screen between "Char.Rec" and "Iris Dial" if you don't see it, try unplugging your firewire and look again should be there one way or the other Philip I just realized something, you're looking for DV Control in the "Vcr Mode" it is not there. Try one of the other modes like TV or Av, you'll find it in the "System" menu in one of those modes.

June 28th, 2007, 06:59 AM	#9
Philip Fass Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Charlotte, VT Posts: 397	Bill, wait a minute! What do you mean 2nd screen? I only saw one screenful of listings. Maybe we're getting somewhere now! P.S. I had the external dial set to "M" when trying to find it.

June 28th, 2007, 07:11 AM	#11
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	Sorry I didn't get a chance to check my menu when I was at home last night. We got some bad storms and I got distracted and then I forgot all about it until this morning when I am back in the office away from my H1. I'm sure Chris will have the answers in a few minutes.

June 28th, 2007, 07:14 AM	#12
Philip Fass Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Charlotte, VT Posts: 397	While we're waiting....why does this seem to be the only message board that's worth a damn in terms of actually getting timely responses? Others, which may be more specifically focused on a problem I'm trying to solve (and shall remain nameless), are more like ghost towns. Lucky to get an answer within a week. For me, this is THE board to be on!

June 28th, 2007, 07:30 AM	#14
Philip Fass Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Charlotte, VT Posts: 397	Chris, that totally helps!! Thank you so much! I will go and check this out right now. If the tape/card switch setting for DV Control was mentioned in the manual, I sure didn't see it!

June 28th, 2007, 11:37 AM	#15
Philip Fass Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Charlotte, VT Posts: 397	It worked! My only other question is, what happens if you keep DV C on when you don't need it? Sometimes I'll be using the camera with a PC and DV Rack, which I don't think can be triggered by the cam. So would there be any problem if I left it on all the time anyway?