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Augustine Arredondo · February 20th, 2002, 04:10 PM

I have grown tired of the focus problems with the 16x standard lens on my xl-1. I have had it serviced by Canon and within two months it's screwed up again. In manual focus mode I zoom in, set focus, pull back - AND I ACTUALLY CAN SEE THE SHIFT out of focus. So I want a manual lens and my budet is around $1000. Should I go with Canon or go with the Optex converted Fujinon lens?

-Augie

Ken Tanaka · February 20th, 2002, 04:38 PM

Hello Augie,
I have been using the Canon 14x full-manual lens for about a year and like it very much for many shots. Note, however, that it is completely manual with no servo control options at all (unlike Canon's newer 16x manual lens). Being manual it draws almost no power from the battery, thus boosting you battery life a bit. The lens also seems (to me, at least) to breathe a bit less than the 16x auto lens, if that's important to you.

I can point to only 2 drawbacks. First, it is an external-focus design. The front element rotates with focus necessitating rails for matte boxes. Not a real biggie. Second, the flange back / back focus seems prone to drift just enough (following removal and replacement) to ensure that you have to take time to re-check your back-focus every time you re-mount the lens. Yes, I know that that's just good practice but if you expect to quick-swap lenses during rapid shooting fugettaboutit.

I think that Canon only makes the 16x servo-manual lens today, although you may be able to find the 14x used for about your budget. The newer 16x will run a bit more.

Sorry, I haven't ever seen the Fujinon conversion but it has been discussed here. Use the "Search" function to locate the threads.

Happy hunting!

Chris Hurd · February 20th, 2002, 07:29 PM

I actually have the Fuji-Optex conversion, tried to sell it several times and gave up. For its limitations it's a fine lens.

Jay Henderson · June 22nd, 2002, 02:49 PM

Chris,
why did you want to sell the Fujinon/Optex 14x manual lens?
do you own other manual lenses?
i'm trying to decide which of the three manual lenses to buy: the canon 16x, the canon 14x, or the f/o 14x.
my main concern is image quality.
thank you.

Chris Hurd · June 22nd, 2002, 05:59 PM

Jay,

> why did you want to sell the Fujinon/Optex 14x manual lens?

Because I wasn't using it much. Better off where it's used, instead of sitting on my shelf.

> do you own other manual lenses?

No.

> i'm trying to decide which of the three manual lenses to buy: my main concern is image quality.

I seriously doubt you would be able to visually discern any difference in image quality between these three lenses.

Jay Henderson · June 23rd, 2002, 10:57 AM

thanks, Chris.
looks like i'll go for the best price, while keeping in mind the other differences between the three lenses...ND filter, rotating front element, electronic communication with the camera, etc.
i still have to sort those out.
i'll definitely be using ND filters when shooting...to force myself and my DP to light the set like we do when we shoot film. i'm not much of a zoomer, so i'm not concerned about what type of zoom controller the lens has. i'll probably want to use other filters, too, starting with the ones that people say give a more appealing "film" look: circular polarizer, black promist 1/8, enhancer. and i definitely want to get the most out of the variety of shutter speeds and aperture settings the XL1 has.
thanks again.

Chris Hurd · June 24th, 2002, 10:24 AM

Remember, you can use a clamp-on matte box with the 16x manual. Be sure to tell us which way you decide to go,

Jay Henderson · June 24th, 2002, 01:53 PM

Chris,
i just noticed that your signature doesn't say "black gang coffee" anymore. what is black gang coffee? :-) just curious.
thanks, i'll let you know which lens(es) i get my hands on.

February 20th, 2002, 04:10 PM	#1
Augustine Arredondo New Boot Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 16	Canon 14x or Fujinon 14x I have grown tired of the focus problems with the 16x standard lens on my xl-1. I have had it serviced by Canon and within two months it's screwed up again. In manual focus mode I zoom in, set focus, pull back - AND I ACTUALLY CAN SEE THE SHIFT out of focus. So I want a manual lens and my budet is around $1000. Should I go with Canon or go with the Optex converted Fujinon lens? -Augie

February 20th, 2002, 04:38 PM	#2
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Hello Augie, I have been using the Canon 14x full-manual lens for about a year and like it very much for many shots. Note, however, that it is completely manual with no servo control options at all (unlike Canon's newer 16x manual lens). Being manual it draws almost no power from the battery, thus boosting you battery life a bit. The lens also seems (to me, at least) to breathe a bit less than the 16x auto lens, if that's important to you. I can point to only 2 drawbacks. First, it is an external-focus design. The front element rotates with focus necessitating rails for matte boxes. Not a real biggie. Second, the flange back / back focus seems prone to drift just enough (following removal and replacement) to ensure that you have to take time to re-check your back-focus every time you re-mount the lens. Yes, I know that that's just good practice but if you expect to quick-swap lenses during rapid shooting fugettaboutit. I think that Canon only makes the 16x servo-manual lens today, although you may be able to find the 14x used for about your budget. The newer 16x will run a bit more. Sorry, I haven't ever seen the Fujinon conversion but it has been discussed here. Use the "Search" function to locate the threads. Happy hunting! __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

February 20th, 2002, 07:29 PM	#3
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	I actually have the Fuji-Optex conversion, tried to sell it several times and gave up. For its limitations it's a fine lens. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

June 22nd, 2002, 05:59 PM	#5
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Jay, > why did you want to sell the Fujinon/Optex 14x manual lens? Because I wasn't using it much. Better off where it's used, instead of sitting on my shelf. > do you own other manual lenses? No. > i'm trying to decide which of the three manual lenses to buy: my main concern is image quality. I seriously doubt you would be able to visually discern any difference in image quality between these three lenses. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

June 24th, 2002, 10:24 AM	#7
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Remember, you can use a clamp-on matte box with the 16x manual. Be sure to tell us which way you decide to go, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

June 22nd, 2002, 02:49 PM	#4
Jay Henderson Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 45	Chris, why did you want to sell the Fujinon/Optex 14x manual lens? do you own other manual lenses? i'm trying to decide which of the three manual lenses to buy: the canon 16x, the canon 14x, or the f/o 14x. my main concern is image quality. thank you.

June 23rd, 2002, 10:57 AM	#6
Jay Henderson Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 45	thanks, Chris. looks like i'll go for the best price, while keeping in mind the other differences between the three lenses...ND filter, rotating front element, electronic communication with the camera, etc. i still have to sort those out. i'll definitely be using ND filters when shooting...to force myself and my DP to light the set like we do when we shoot film. i'm not much of a zoomer, so i'm not concerned about what type of zoom controller the lens has. i'll probably want to use other filters, too, starting with the ones that people say give a more appealing "film" look: circular polarizer, black promist 1/8, enhancer. and i definitely want to get the most out of the variety of shutter speeds and aperture settings the XL1 has. thanks again.

June 24th, 2002, 01:53 PM	#8
Jay Henderson Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 45	black gang coffee Chris, i just noticed that your signature doesn't say "black gang coffee" anymore. what is black gang coffee? :-) just curious. thanks, i'll let you know which lens(es) i get my hands on.

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