can xl1s pass analog in signals to firewire live? at DVinfo.net

Yi Fong Yu · June 17th, 2004, 03:45 PM

i have a VHS tape that i'm playing back and outputting via RCA and S-Video into XL1s and then i'm connecting XL1s to computer thinking i can dub my VHS live into the computer. it wasn't working. can this be done?

Rob Lohman · June 17th, 2004, 05:03 PM

No, this can't be done. BUT, you can go through tape. So you can
record (only on the S model!) the incoming analog signal to tape
first. Then you can capture that tape. It is all in the manual, a bit
crude, but it is there.

Yi Fong Yu · June 18th, 2004, 10:51 AM

with all that technology and this simple thing can't be done? *sigh* i expect too much sometimes =).

Rob Lohman · June 18th, 2004, 01:46 PM

Well, there is probably a good reason for that. If they could've
easily included that they would probably have done it 3 years
ago.

There are ofcourse several analog to DV convertors and DV
decks which can do that and work great in your edit suite to
use as a video output for a monitor / TV.

The XL1S can do it (the XL1 couldn't). Just not in one go.... Sorry.

Hugo Leveille · June 29th, 2004, 09:47 PM

Well Ive done it a few times. Just press record on the xl1 without pressing play to record to tape.

Rob Lohman · June 30th, 2004, 03:35 AM

Hugo: are you saying you did this without recording to tape
and capturing that? In other words you did this directly from
analog to digital?

If so please take a look at this thread.

Now try to reproduce your steps and write down exactly what
you did since only that editor in that thread seems to be able
to do it and nobody else.

p.s. as you can see I also did a test with having the camera
in record-pause mode but it just displayed black on my computer.

Yi Fong Yu · June 30th, 2004, 10:47 AM

doesn't work.

Hugo Leveille · June 30th, 2004, 03:02 PM

Damn my mistake. I've done it, but with my GL-2.

I'm very sorry

Rob Lohman · July 1st, 2004, 03:04 AM

Thought so Hugo. Thanks for checking and clearing it up!

Murad Toor · July 12th, 2004, 05:51 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : Well, there is probably a good reason for that. If they could've
easily included that they would probably have done it 3 years
ago.

There are ofcourse several analog to DV convertors and DV
decks which can do that and work great in your edit suite to
use as a video output for a monitor / TV.

The XL1S can do it (the XL1 couldn't). Just not in one go.... Sorry. -->>>

A cheaper alternative to analog to DV converters and DV decks is a low-cost miniDV camera that has analog to digital pass-through.

I use a JVC GRD70. Any video source that goes into it goes out as a digital signal, which I can grab using "Capture Now" in Final Cut Pro's Log & Capture window.

It also functions as a video output for my monitor/TV. One can pick up a GRD70 or similar camcorder for less than $300. Even if you can find an analog to DV converter for a similar price, you'd be sacrificing a few pretty handy functions, because a miniDV camcorder also works as a capture and print-to-video deck, not to mention a backup / 2nd camera when you're out on a shoot.

Yi Fong Yu · July 12th, 2004, 06:27 PM

i just got the canon optura 10 for that purpose. dunno if all the features work yet... will test it soon.

Yi Fong Yu · July 29th, 2004, 03:36 PM

hi guys, i have just tested the optura 10, it does include the a/d passthrough. it is AWESOME!!!! WOO HOO!!!! i'm connecting my S-VHS to the cam and then it is passing the signal through firewire!!! wowowowowo!!! i had hoped that xl2 would do this but oh well!!! =). rock n roll guys! thx!

Murad Toor · July 30th, 2004, 12:07 AM

congratulations. it's always great when you get stuff to work.

June 17th, 2004, 03:45 PM	#1
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	can xl1s pass analog in signals to firewire live? i have a VHS tape that i'm playing back and outputting via RCA and S-Video into XL1s and then i'm connecting XL1s to computer thinking i can dub my VHS live into the computer. it wasn't working. can this be done? __________________ bow wow wow

June 17th, 2004, 05:03 PM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	No, this can't be done. BUT, you can go through tape. So you can record (only on the S model!) the incoming analog signal to tape first. Then you can capture that tape. It is all in the manual, a bit crude, but it is there. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 18th, 2004, 10:51 AM	#3
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	with all that technology and this simple thing can't be done? sigh i expect too much sometimes =). __________________ bow wow wow

June 18th, 2004, 01:46 PM	#4
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Well, there is probably a good reason for that. If they could've easily included that they would probably have done it 3 years ago. There are ofcourse several analog to DV convertors and DV decks which can do that and work great in your edit suite to use as a video output for a monitor / TV. The XL1S can do it (the XL1 couldn't). Just not in one go.... Sorry. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 30th, 2004, 03:35 AM	#6
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Hugo: are you saying you did this without recording to tape and capturing that? In other words you did this directly from analog to digital? If so please take a look at this thread. Now try to reproduce your steps and write down exactly what you did since only that editor in that thread seems to be able to do it and nobody else. p.s. as you can see I also did a test with having the camera in record-pause mode but it just displayed black on my computer. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 29th, 2004, 09:47 PM	#5
Hugo Leveille New Boot Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 17	Well Ive done it a few times. Just press record on the xl1 without pressing play to record to tape.

June 30th, 2004, 10:47 AM	#7
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	doesn't work. __________________ bow wow wow

June 30th, 2004, 03:02 PM	#8
Hugo Leveille New Boot Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 17	Damn my mistake. I've done it, but with my GL-2. I'm very sorry

July 1st, 2004, 03:04 AM	#9
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Thought so Hugo. Thanks for checking and clearing it up! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 12th, 2004, 05:51 PM	#10
Murad Toor Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 125	<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : Well, there is probably a good reason for that. If they could've easily included that they would probably have done it 3 years ago. There are ofcourse several analog to DV convertors and DV decks which can do that and work great in your edit suite to use as a video output for a monitor / TV. The XL1S can do it (the XL1 couldn't). Just not in one go.... Sorry. -->>> A cheaper alternative to analog to DV converters and DV decks is a low-cost miniDV camera that has analog to digital pass-through. I use a JVC GRD70. Any video source that goes into it goes out as a digital signal, which I can grab using "Capture Now" in Final Cut Pro's Log & Capture window. It also functions as a video output for my monitor/TV. One can pick up a GRD70 or similar camcorder for less than $300. Even if you can find an analog to DV converter for a similar price, you'd be sacrificing a few pretty handy functions, because a miniDV camcorder also works as a capture and print-to-video deck, not to mention a backup / 2nd camera when you're out on a shoot.

July 12th, 2004, 06:27 PM	#11
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	i just got the canon optura 10 for that purpose. dunno if all the features work yet... will test it soon. __________________ bow wow wow

July 29th, 2004, 03:36 PM	#12
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	hi guys, i have just tested the optura 10, it does include the a/d passthrough. it is AWESOME!!!! WOO HOO!!!! i'm connecting my S-VHS to the cam and then it is passing the signal through firewire!!! wowowowowo!!! i had hoped that xl2 would do this but oh well!!! =). rock n roll guys! thx! __________________ bow wow wow

July 30th, 2004, 12:07 AM	#13
Murad Toor Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 125	congratulations. it's always great when you get stuff to work.