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Old June 7th, 2004, 09:43 AM   #136
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WHat happens if the XL2 moves futher consumer than pro as a prosumer camera?

What if it shows up with some highly compressed HD to fit on mini-dv tapes, no XLR inputs, a flip out LCD, and a fixed lens?
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Old June 7th, 2004, 10:04 AM   #137
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What happens?

Well, if it comes out without XLR inputs and a flip out LCD and fixed lens, then it probably won't be called the XL2. Canon would probably name it something like....oh, I don't know...the GL3?
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Seriously, if that happens, then it will be a big dissapointment.

Interchangable lenses have defined the XL line since the L1 cameras came out over ten years ago. There is no way that Canon would lose that functionality now. It is the one thing that has set them apart at that price level. If they release a camera without interchangable lenses (like the GL1, GL2) then it would not be considered part of the XL line.

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Old June 7th, 2004, 10:06 AM   #138
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<<<-- Originally posted by John Threat : WHat happens if the XL2 moves futher consumer than pro as a prosumer camera?

What if it shows up with some highly compressed HD to fit on mini-dv tapes, no XLR inputs, a flip out LCD, and a fixed lens? -->>>

Simple. I'll get a DVX100a instead ;)

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Old June 8th, 2004, 05:44 AM   #139
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FWIW, a poster in a Canon forum elsewhere on the web claims to have spoken with someone in the know - and that the next generation XL1 announcement should be out in July. That is consistent with the nominal 3-year life of Canon's high end camcorders over the past 13 years. A July announcement would probably indicate indicate a September availability in the US.

No information as to its specs, but an indication that the price point will be somewhat lower - probably driven by the VX2100/PD170 price points.
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Old June 9th, 2004, 12:31 PM   #140
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Don,

That matches up with what was said in the Area 51 thread as well:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=27075


By the way, I went to the forum you mentioned, and it looks like the post you saw isn't there anymore. Instead I found a thread talking about why it was deleted....
hmmmmm


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Old June 20th, 2004, 12:46 PM   #141
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Luis, the thread that Don mentions on the other board -- which was deleted by their admins -- basically was an anonymous report from somebody who insisted they had been told by someone "in the know" that an XL1S replacement was definitely going to happen in July.

This guy's "proof" revolved around the XL1S rebate expiration date. Well for crying out loud, we've been discussing how rebate expiration dates can often signal new products, and we've been mentioning that for years around here.

It's as if that anonymous poster had a stunning revelation, which he would have realized is common knowledge if he had only been a regular reader here. Guessing new product arrival dates ain't rocket science. If you study history, then you can predict the future... a fairly simple and straightforward process.
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Old June 20th, 2004, 12:50 PM   #142
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yeah... its funny though how this exact prediction for the XL2 has been happening for almost a decade. Every year someone says "my dealer just told me they are getting them in next month"

Just seems like there are more concrete sources for this time around.
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Old June 20th, 2004, 12:52 PM   #143
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It's already about fourteen months late in my opinion.
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Old June 20th, 2004, 12:56 PM   #144
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heh heh.. Yeah, I agree, but you know as well as I do that there where 2 things that prolonged the release, first was the DVX, I dont think Canon had any idea how 24p would affect the market, and second last years implementation of HDV.

I think it will be quite the camera though, if it does every come out.
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Old June 20th, 2004, 01:00 PM   #145
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Except... HDV hasn't been implemented... only announced. To this day there is not a single HDV camcorder available for purchase (the JVC HD10 doesn't count, it's only pseudo-HDV). It'll be the end of this year at the earliest before anybody can actually buy an HDV camcorder. That gives an XL2 only a six-month window, but I have a feeling it'll sell well into next year no matter what does or doesn't happen with HDV.
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Old June 20th, 2004, 01:05 PM   #146
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Yeah.. the JVC kinda counts because it implemented the standard, given; its a shody implementation, but IMHO it still counts, since the actual format is used, The CCD's or body doesnt have much to do with the actual format, its kinda like the difference between the Canon $500 Elura and the XL1, they both are Mini-DV cameras.
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Old June 21st, 2004, 01:27 AM   #147
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The HD-1 isn't pseudo-anything--for all its unforgivable shortcomings--single chip and all--it is a vast leap in image quality over any other prosumer on the market and the once-great dinosaur that is the XL-1 can only ignore it at its own peril.
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Old June 21st, 2004, 01:36 AM   #148
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<<it is a vast leap in image quality over any other prosumer on the market>>

Betsy, given the inherently increased resolution of the format, in what other ways do you feel the HD-1 has superior image quality?
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Old June 21st, 2004, 01:37 AM   #149
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<<<-- Originally posted by Betsy Moore : The HD-1 isn't pseudo-anything--for all its unforgivable shortcomings--single chip and all--it is a vast leap in image quality over any other prosumer on the market and the once-great dinosaur that is the XL-1 can only ignore it at its own peril. -->>>

I think you should change that to "vast leap in resolution" as the HD-1 arguably has the worst image quality of ANY prosumer camera on the market.. but as you mentioned it is mostly due to its lower quality optics and single chipped CCD.
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Old June 21st, 2004, 01:38 AM   #150
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Heh Heh Charles looks like you snuck one in a second before me :)
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