Recording a 2 hour event with XL1s at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Canon EOS / MXF / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Canon HDV and DV Camera Systems > Canon XL and GL Series DV Camcorders > Canon XL1S / XL1 Watchdog

Canon XL1S / XL1 Watchdog
Can't find it on the XL1 Watchdog site? Discuss it here.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old May 31st, 2006, 10:05 AM   #1
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Phoenixville, PA
Posts: 25
Recording a 2 hour event with XL1s

I have read about doing this with a FS-3 but it is out my price range.

Has anyone tried recording onto a DVR from Xl1?
I know that I can record my 2 hour footage onto the VCR but would rather keep my footage in the digital format and not go back to analog.

Any feedback in this area will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Frank
__________________
Frank Daghigh
Panorama
Frank Daghigh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2006, 02:05 PM   #2
Major Player
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: NYC
Posts: 516
do you have access to a laptop? i'm assuming a laptop wouldn't be too bulky for your purposes since you mentioned a dvr.
Henry Cho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2006, 06:00 PM   #3
Obstreperous Rex
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: San Marcos, TX
Posts: 26,900
Images: 513
Another option is to use an 80 minute cassette and set the camera's recording mode to long play (LP). This will give you 120 minutes, or two hours, on that 80 minute cassette.
__________________
CH

Search DV Info Net | DV Info Net Sponsors | A Decade (+5) of DVi | ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!
Chris Hurd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2006, 08:04 PM   #4
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Phoenixville, PA
Posts: 25
Henry,

How would you connect the XL-1 to a laptop? Don't you need special software to control the Fire wire?


Chris,

Thanks for the Reply. I was hoping not to go with a slower speed recording format due to degradation in quality. I did find out since the original post that there is a FS-4 that is more reasonable in price than the FS-3.

Regards,
Frank
__________________
Frank Daghigh
Panorama
Frank Daghigh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2006, 08:34 PM   #5
Major Player
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: NYC
Posts: 516
dvrack comes immediately to mind. for around $300, it allows preview and direct capture to disk via firewire. i would think there would be cheaper alternatives floating around out there on the web.

also, don't most nle's support direct capture as well? i believe fcp and premiere both do...
Henry Cho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 31st, 2006, 09:08 PM   #6
Obstreperous Rex
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: San Marcos, TX
Posts: 26,900
Images: 513
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Daghigh
I was hoping not to go with a slower speed recording format due to degradation in quality.
It's important to understand that with digital formats such as DV, there is no degradation of image quality at all with the slower LP recording speed like there was with analog formats such as Hi-8 and S-VHS. The drawbacks to LP recording with a DV camcorder are first, a greater probability of drop-out unless you're using the best quality 80 minute tapes, and second, usually a tape recorded in LP will play back properly only on the camera that recorded it. If you're using that camera as a playback deck for capture then this shouldn't be a problem.
__________________
CH

Search DV Info Net | DV Info Net Sponsors | A Decade (+5) of DVi | ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!
Chris Hurd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 1st, 2006, 08:03 AM   #7
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 4,293
Chris' point in LP playback may be a bit too harsh. LP playback works OK on many systems, but it is equipment specific. The issue is whether or not the specific camcorder and playback machine being used have nearly identical alignment. This is not always the case.

Test before you shoot, and be sure to capture immediately after the shoot because equipment alignment can change over time with use, wear, environmental effects, etc.
__________________
dpalomaki@dspalomaki.com
Don Palomaki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 1st, 2006, 11:49 AM   #8
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Phoenixville, PA
Posts: 25
Chris & Don,

I learned something new with recording in LP. I normally record & play back with the same camera.

How bad of drop out rate have you seen in your LP setting? Is it more that 1% of the time?

Frank
__________________
Frank Daghigh
Panorama
Frank Daghigh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 1st, 2006, 06:54 PM   #9
Obstreperous Rex
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: San Marcos, TX
Posts: 26,900
Images: 513
On the few occasions that I've used 80 minute cassettes recorded in LP, I've never had a dropout. Neither will you if you avoid cheap tape.
__________________
CH

Search DV Info Net | DV Info Net Sponsors | A Decade (+5) of DVi | ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!
Chris Hurd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 1st, 2006, 06:55 PM   #10
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 4,293
I rarely shoot at LP, the few times I did it worked OK, shooting on an XL1 and a older Sony, and capturing from a Sony DHR-1000. The only way to find out for sure is to try it with your gear and lot of MiniDV tape.

Note that analog playnback may look OK thanks to error correction, but digital capture might fail upon a read error if your capture system is setup to stop capture on any error.
__________________
dpalomaki@dspalomaki.com
Don Palomaki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 24th, 2006, 03:16 PM   #11
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Phoenixville, PA
Posts: 25
Thanks everyone for your help. Please close this thread.

Frank
__________________
Frank Daghigh
Panorama
Frank Daghigh is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Canon EOS / MXF / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Canon HDV and DV Camera Systems > Canon XL and GL Series DV Camcorders > Canon XL1S / XL1 Watchdog

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:00 PM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network