CineForm HDMI Recorder Concept Posted

Thor Wixom · December 7th, 2007, 04:37 PM

David(s),

Just wondering how applicable the first version of the box is to Red.

If I read the specs of the Red One correctly from Red's website, the Red HDMI AND HD-SDI ports will only support 720 x 1280.

Also, I'd like to be able to use this product with both my Z1U and my Red.

I'm guessing I'll need to wait for the analogue version.

-Thor

David Taylor · December 7th, 2007, 05:35 PM

Hi Thor,

The recorder should have no problem recording from any HDMI source. After all, it's the HDMI spec that that defines the signalling, so devices on both sides should be compatible.

Actually, until you mentioned it, I hadn't thought about using the recorder with Red's HDMI output. But this might be a great way to provide dailies, or even proxy files for cuts editing. Certainly you'll usually want to use the R3D source for the online work.

With the Z1U you'll need a component-to-HDMI converter for our first-gen box.

Thor Wixom · December 8th, 2007, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Taylor

Hi Thor,

The recorder should have no problem recording from any HDMI source. After all, it's the HDMI spec that that defines the signalling, so devices on both sides should be compatible.

Actually, until you mentioned it, I hadn't thought about using the recorder with Red's HDMI output. But this might be a great way to provide dailies, or even proxy files for cuts editing. Certainly you'll usually want to use the R3D source for the online work.

With the Z1U you'll need a component-to-HDMI converter for our first-gen box.

David Taylor,

The dailies idea is a really good one! I wouldn't have thought of that, but it makes a lot of sense.

I wish the Red HDMI would output 1080. I can think of all kinds of problems that would solve. Maybe a future firmware update?

Good luck with this project. I'm excited to see where it goes, and what it might mean eventually for Red owners.

-Thor

Jonathan Plotkin · December 9th, 2007, 09:09 PM

How about something like this to hold it? I just came across the eHolster system and I'm digging the shoulder harness. Too geeky? Maybe, but it even has wire management built in, and it looks like they make custom sizes. Check it out here: http://www.eholster.com/casesystems.html

Also, I want to add my vote for component, sooner rather than later. It would kill me to have to wait for an upgraded version to use with my XH-A1...

BTW, I'm not currently a Cineform user, but this thread has motivated me to look at it more closely and the SOLID would definately make me a believer.

Luis Bustamante · December 9th, 2007, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Taylor

Hi Thor,

The recorder should have no problem recording from any HDMI source. After all, it's the HDMI spec that that defines the signalling, so devices on both sides should be compatible.

Actually, until you mentioned it, I hadn't thought about using the recorder with Red's HDMI output. But this might be a great way to provide dailies, or even proxy files for cuts editing. Certainly you'll usually want to use the R3D source for the online work.

With the Z1U you'll need a component-to-HDMI converter for our first-gen box.

Hi, I pointed this out some days ago:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis Bustamante

hi, this looks amazing!

I think this would be a perfect video assist for the RED using it's HDMI output. If the unit is rugged enough and LCD has sufficient quality it could also work as a portable director's monitor/video assist.

It would be great if it could be powered via V or gold mounted batteries on the back of the unit. Add a way to properly secure the HDMI cable connection and a smart touchscreen interface and it would be a dream come true.

Thanks for making it happen (and listening!)

LB

PS. "Solid" sounds cool

I guess you missed my post. Anyway, great to see you are now aware of this possibilty for the SOLID.

LB

Alex Raskin · December 9th, 2007, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Plotkin

I just came across the eHolster system and I'm digging the shoulder harness.

Oh great.

Now the CF recorder users will be shot at by the police who'll think they are carrying a piece :)

Jonathan Plotkin · December 10th, 2007, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Raskin

Oh great.

Now the CF recorder users will be shot at by the police who'll think they are carrying a piece :)

LOL! Only it's really not so funny...

Hernan Vilchez · December 11th, 2007, 06:01 AM

Please component in for all the Canon XH A1 owners like me. And the Sony Z1 owners... Why should we wait for an upgrade?

Carl Middleton · December 11th, 2007, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hernan Vilchez

Please component in for all the Canon XH A1 owners like me. And the Sony Z1 owners... Why should we wait for an upgrade?

Speaking as a Z1 guy myself... we have to understand they can only really devote the time and money to designing one at a time, otherwise it's just not smart businesswise, and HDMI does make more sense than component for the first release. I hate that it's true, but it is. :(

Carl

Craig Irving · December 11th, 2007, 09:39 AM

They've announced that this is only the first of a whole line of products. Why do some of you feel neglected that they've omitted a certain feature?

I think they plan to support all of what our suggestions are, that's the whole point of this thread. There will just be different devices for different types of users.

I'm personally all for an all-digital-HDMI-only capture device.
It's really not that small of a niche of camcorders anymore that have (or will have) HDMI.

Hernan Vilchez · December 11th, 2007, 04:57 PM

Ok, im not complaining, just want to use it with my main camera that is a Canon XH A1 (as other many people). If a converter component-HDMI is giving me the same quality as component in directly, alles ist gut.

If not ill have to wait till they sale the dual version.

And please Craig relax, just expressing some opinions and wishes, thats what this forum is for.

Steven White · December 11th, 2007, 05:52 PM

I think this looks awesome.

Comments:

The price point at $2k limits its adoption. Personally I'd wait for it to come down to $500 or so, and consider it the ultimate accessory for an HV20 like machine.

Would purchase include Neo/ProspectHD? It seems at 1920x1080 10-bit, Prospect would be a must for any purchaser. If it did, then naturally at $2k, it's a bargain.

-Steve

Jason Rodriguez · December 11th, 2007, 11:05 PM

BTW, whatever the policy ends up being, NeoPlayer is free, so even if you don't get ProspectHD packaged with it, you won't be required to pay for new software to at least edit the footage . . . you'll just have limited non-CineForm export options, and lose a lot of the multi-stream real-time treats that ProspectHD gives Premiere Pro. But I would think on a good machine at least a single stream of high-quality HD with cuts-only will playback in real-time with NeoPlayer.

James Huenergardt · December 11th, 2007, 11:15 PM

I think $2,000 for what they are offering is a deal.

Look at the HVR-DR60, it's almost $1,500 and all it does is record highly compressed DV/HDV.

For a device that allows you to record visually lossless video at 10-bits 4:2:2 for under $2,000 is AMAZING. Especially something that portable.

Even if it doesn't come with Prospect. If it did, it would be a STEAL!

Just my 2-cents.

Steven White · December 12th, 2007, 08:19 AM

In the current market, there's no doubt that its price point is a steal. The question is: which camera owners do you expect to purchase this?

With an HDMI input this kind of device is very attractive all the way up the market - but it stands to compliment $1k cameras just as well as $5k and up machines.

-Steve

December 7th, 2007, 04:37 PM	#211
Thor Wixom New Boot Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Utah Posts: 5	Applicable to Red? David(s), Just wondering how applicable the first version of the box is to Red. If I read the specs of the Red One correctly from Red's website, the Red HDMI AND HD-SDI ports will only support 720 x 1280. Also, I'd like to be able to use this product with both my Z1U and my Red. I'm guessing I'll need to wait for the analogue version. -Thor

December 11th, 2007, 06:01 AM	#218
Hernan Vilchez Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 135	Component in Please component in for all the Canon XH A1 owners like me. And the Sony Z1 owners... Why should we wait for an upgrade? __________________ Hernan Vilchez kabopro.com myspace.com/kabopro

December 11th, 2007, 04:57 PM	#221
Hernan Vilchez Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 135	Ok, im not complaining, just want to use it with my main camera that is a Canon XH A1 (as other many people). If a converter component-HDMI is giving me the same quality as component in directly, alles ist gut. If not ill have to wait till they sale the dual version. And please Craig relax, just expressing some opinions and wishes, thats what this forum is for. __________________ Hernan Vilchez kabopro.com myspace.com/kabopro

December 7th, 2007, 05:35 PM	#212
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	Hi Thor, The recorder should have no problem recording from any HDMI source. After all, it's the HDMI spec that that defines the signalling, so devices on both sides should be compatible. Actually, until you mentioned it, I hadn't thought about using the recorder with Red's HDMI output. But this might be a great way to provide dailies, or even proxy files for cuts editing. Certainly you'll usually want to use the R3D source for the online work. With the Z1U you'll need a component-to-HDMI converter for our first-gen box.

December 9th, 2007, 09:09 PM	#214
Jonathan Plotkin Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 122	How about something like this to hold it? I just came across the eHolster system and I'm digging the shoulder harness. Too geeky? Maybe, but it even has wire management built in, and it looks like they make custom sizes. Check it out here: http://www.eholster.com/casesystems.html Also, I want to add my vote for component, sooner rather than later. It would kill me to have to wait for an upgraded version to use with my XH-A1... BTW, I'm not currently a Cineform user, but this thread has motivated me to look at it more closely and the SOLID would definately make me a believer.

December 11th, 2007, 09:39 AM	#220
Craig Irving Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 539	They've announced that this is only the first of a whole line of products. Why do some of you feel neglected that they've omitted a certain feature? I think they plan to support all of what our suggestions are, that's the whole point of this thread. There will just be different devices for different types of users. I'm personally all for an all-digital-HDMI-only capture device. It's really not that small of a niche of camcorders anymore that have (or will have) HDMI.

December 11th, 2007, 05:52 PM	#222
Steven White Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 547	I think this looks awesome. Comments: The price point at $2k limits its adoption. Personally I'd wait for it to come down to $500 or so, and consider it the ultimate accessory for an HV20 like machine. Would purchase include Neo/ProspectHD? It seems at 1920x1080 10-bit, Prospect would be a must for any purchaser. If it did, then naturally at $2k, it's a bargain. -Steve

December 11th, 2007, 11:05 PM	#223
Jason Rodriguez Trustee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 1,095	BTW, whatever the policy ends up being, NeoPlayer is free, so even if you don't get ProspectHD packaged with it, you won't be required to pay for new software to at least edit the footage . . . you'll just have limited non-CineForm export options, and lose a lot of the multi-stream real-time treats that ProspectHD gives Premiere Pro. But I would think on a good machine at least a single stream of high-quality HD with cuts-only will playback in real-time with NeoPlayer.

December 11th, 2007, 11:15 PM	#224
James Huenergardt Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chehalis, WA Posts: 513	I think $2,000 for what they are offering is a deal. Look at the HVR-DR60, it's almost $1,500 and all it does is record highly compressed DV/HDV. For a device that allows you to record visually lossless video at 10-bits 4:2:2 for under $2,000 is AMAZING. Especially something that portable. Even if it doesn't come with Prospect. If it did, it would be a STEAL! Just my 2-cents.

December 12th, 2007, 08:19 AM	#225
Steven White Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 547	In the current market, there's no doubt that its price point is a steal. The question is: which camera owners do you expect to purchase this? With an HDMI input this kind of device is very attractive all the way up the market - but it stands to compliment $1k cameras just as well as $5k and up machines. -Steve