NEO HDV or HD? help please at DVinfo.net

Chris Wysocki · January 24th, 2008, 08:00 AM

Hi , i have a canon xha1 and vegas pro 8. I need to choose between NEO HDV or HD. I know HDV is ok and ill get by with that , but i read on cineforms site that HD is a better choice because of the 10bit 4:2:2 , i woont be using after effects , but some slow motion in vegas and 3d compilation. Will i see a difference using HD? Does the canon reord in 8bit or 10bit? Also the HD is 600, which is alot if there is only little benefits.

Thanks for any feedback ,
Chris

Bill Ravens · January 24th, 2008, 08:35 AM

By specification, HDV is 8-bit. Using Neo HD will help you only if you want to resize your native images to HD size(1920x1080) or if you want to output to a storage format in 10-bit.

Chris Wysocki · January 24th, 2008, 10:33 AM

thanx bill ,

i have a 70 inch 1080p TV , is it better to take the 1440 retangular image and resize to 1920? To do the resizing , ill be using neo HD , right? i want the best possible picture from the canon to my TV.

Bill Ravens · January 24th, 2008, 10:53 AM

when you scale up, the picture gets bigger but the resolution stays at the original resolution. So, the scaled image won't look as sharp. Take your pick, 1440x1080 and resolution or 1920x1080 with 1440x1080 resolution. not sure it's worth the cost.

Chris Wysocki · January 24th, 2008, 05:42 PM

So if i want the clearest picture possible i should use cineform HDV and not rescale?

Bill Ravens · January 24th, 2008, 06:45 PM

TV standards are pretty wide open. Some TV rescale, some don't. It's like choosing good audio speakers. The answer to your question is somewhat academic. Probably what I'd recommend is to go over to Best Buy with a CD with your footage on it. Watch it on all kinds of TV sets. Pick the one you like most.

Daniel Browning · January 24th, 2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Ravens

when you scale up, the picture gets bigger but the resolution stays at the original resolution. So, the scaled image won't look as sharp. Take your pick, 1440x1080 and resolution or 1920x1080 with 1440x1080 resolution. not sure it's worth the cost.

The very act of viewing 1440x1080 *requires* that it be scaled to 1920x1080, so it is incorrect to say that it "wont look as sharp". It's a simple pixel aspect ratio conversion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Ravens

TV standards are pretty wide open. Some TV rescale, some don't. It's like choosing good audio speakers. The answer to your question is somewhat academic. Probably what I'd recommend is to go over to Best Buy with a CD with your footage on it. Watch it on all kinds of TV sets. Pick the one you like most.

I've never heard of a TV that takes a CD with 1440x1080 video on it. Did you mean to say BluRay or HD-DVD player? If so, are you saying that there is great variability in the quality of their 1440->1920 scalers? How did you learn that?

James Harring · January 24th, 2008, 07:24 PM

FWIW I rendered my vegas timeline back to my hdv camcorder. I then took my hdv camcorder to the store and plugged into the component jacks of each hdtv i was interested in and chose the best picture. may want to do the same....

BTW, I had bars at the beginning of the tape, so I could rough calibrate each monitor

Paul Cascio · January 24th, 2008, 09:13 PM

Chris, are you using Vegas? Which version? BTW, I'm in Bristol.

Chris Wysocki · January 25th, 2008, 07:27 AM

Bill , i have a jvc hd-70fh96 dila 1080p display , why would i take my footage and go to best buy? That doesnt make sense.

Hey Paul , im gonna purchase vegas 6 and do the upgrade to pro 8. Im running a 2.4g core 2 duo , which should be no problem. when i captured my tape using 7.0e it captured to a .m2t file which is still kinda an overload on my pc. Plus .m2t is compressed. I want to get the best possible image from this tape, so i read that i must purchase a better capturing software like cineform neo , either HDV or HD. They are a much lower compression codec from what i understand. Now i need to know which one is right for me, the HDV or HD version. one is 250 , and the other 600. If the HD version will capture my footage better in a lower compressed file and look alot better on my TV than i guess id go with that. But if theres not much of a difference and that program exceeds the limitations of what was captured on my tape than i dont need that , and id go with the HDV program.

Bill Ravens · January 25th, 2008, 08:43 AM

chris....

sorry, I lost the intent of your original question. If you already have an HDTV, great. Then, you can download trial versions of Neo, HDV and HD, render each out, and look at them on your HDTV to see if you can see a difference.

Chris Wysocki · January 25th, 2008, 10:11 AM

thats true Bill , i thought this question could be easily answered than going that route. But i guess thats the true way of finding out. Thanks

Chris Wysocki · January 26th, 2008, 06:07 AM

I tried the neo HDV last night. I captured 5 mins. of my footage to cineforms direct AVI codec. Its nice because it plays in windows media player no problem and looks very clear.

The only problem i have with it is the fact that when i play back the video i have blacks bars on both the left side and right side of the video. Is this because of the 1440 x 1080 pixel count? Its weird because when i play play my footage from tape to my TV via component video it plays 16:9 which i want.

So im gonna try out NEO HD and see if resizing the image to 16:9 1920 x1080 fixes that problem and hopefully holds that clearity.

Any Ideas , hints. Thanx Chris

James Campbell · January 26th, 2008, 09:01 AM

Not to hijack, but...
Bristol? Cromwell?

I'm in Cheshire, and I know of another Vegas user from Brookfield. A virtual CT Vegas/Cineform support group!

Paul Cascio · January 26th, 2008, 09:14 AM

Check your email CT Vegas users.

January 24th, 2008, 08:00 AM	#1
Chris Wysocki Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cromwell, CT Posts: 81	NEO HDV or HD? help please Hi , i have a canon xha1 and vegas pro 8. I need to choose between NEO HDV or HD. I know HDV is ok and ill get by with that , but i read on cineforms site that HD is a better choice because of the 10bit 4:2:2 , i woont be using after effects , but some slow motion in vegas and 3d compilation. Will i see a difference using HD? Does the canon reord in 8bit or 10bit? Also the HD is 600, which is alot if there is only little benefits. Thanks for any feedback , Chris

January 24th, 2008, 07:24 PM	#8
James Harring Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 210	tv's FWIW I rendered my vegas timeline back to my hdv camcorder. I then took my hdv camcorder to the store and plugged into the component jacks of each hdtv i was interested in and chose the best picture. may want to do the same.... BTW, I had bars at the beginning of the tape, so I could rough calibrate each monitor

January 24th, 2008, 09:13 PM	#9
Paul Cascio Trustee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bristol, CT (Home of EPSN) Posts: 1,192	Chris, are you using Vegas? Which version? BTW, I'm in Bristol. __________________ Paul Cascio www.pictureframingschool.com

January 26th, 2008, 09:14 AM	#15
Paul Cascio Trustee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bristol, CT (Home of EPSN) Posts: 1,192	Check your email CT Vegas users. __________________ Paul Cascio www.pictureframingschool.com

January 24th, 2008, 08:35 AM	#2
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	By specification, HDV is 8-bit. Using Neo HD will help you only if you want to resize your native images to HD size(1920x1080) or if you want to output to a storage format in 10-bit.

January 24th, 2008, 10:33 AM	#3
Chris Wysocki Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cromwell, CT Posts: 81	thanx bill , i have a 70 inch 1080p TV , is it better to take the 1440 retangular image and resize to 1920? To do the resizing , ill be using neo HD , right? i want the best possible picture from the canon to my TV.

January 24th, 2008, 10:53 AM	#4
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	when you scale up, the picture gets bigger but the resolution stays at the original resolution. So, the scaled image won't look as sharp. Take your pick, 1440x1080 and resolution or 1920x1080 with 1440x1080 resolution. not sure it's worth the cost.

January 24th, 2008, 05:42 PM	#5
Chris Wysocki Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cromwell, CT Posts: 81	So if i want the clearest picture possible i should use cineform HDV and not rescale?

January 24th, 2008, 06:45 PM	#6
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	TV standards are pretty wide open. Some TV rescale, some don't. It's like choosing good audio speakers. The answer to your question is somewhat academic. Probably what I'd recommend is to go over to Best Buy with a CD with your footage on it. Watch it on all kinds of TV sets. Pick the one you like most.

January 25th, 2008, 07:27 AM	#10
Chris Wysocki Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cromwell, CT Posts: 81	Bill , i have a jvc hd-70fh96 dila 1080p display , why would i take my footage and go to best buy? That doesnt make sense. Hey Paul , im gonna purchase vegas 6 and do the upgrade to pro 8. Im running a 2.4g core 2 duo , which should be no problem. when i captured my tape using 7.0e it captured to a .m2t file which is still kinda an overload on my pc. Plus .m2t is compressed. I want to get the best possible image from this tape, so i read that i must purchase a better capturing software like cineform neo , either HDV or HD. They are a much lower compression codec from what i understand. Now i need to know which one is right for me, the HDV or HD version. one is 250 , and the other 600. If the HD version will capture my footage better in a lower compressed file and look alot better on my TV than i guess id go with that. But if theres not much of a difference and that program exceeds the limitations of what was captured on my tape than i dont need that , and id go with the HDV program.

January 25th, 2008, 08:43 AM	#11
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	chris.... sorry, I lost the intent of your original question. If you already have an HDTV, great. Then, you can download trial versions of Neo, HDV and HD, render each out, and look at them on your HDTV to see if you can see a difference.

January 25th, 2008, 10:11 AM	#12
Chris Wysocki Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cromwell, CT Posts: 81	thats true Bill , i thought this question could be easily answered than going that route. But i guess thats the true way of finding out. Thanks

January 26th, 2008, 06:07 AM	#13
Chris Wysocki Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cromwell, CT Posts: 81	I tried the neo HDV last night. I captured 5 mins. of my footage to cineforms direct AVI codec. Its nice because it plays in windows media player no problem and looks very clear. The only problem i have with it is the fact that when i play back the video i have blacks bars on both the left side and right side of the video. Is this because of the 1440 x 1080 pixel count? Its weird because when i play play my footage from tape to my TV via component video it plays 16:9 which i want. So im gonna try out NEO HD and see if resizing the image to 16:9 1920 x1080 fixes that problem and hopefully holds that clearity. Any Ideas , hints. Thanx Chris

January 26th, 2008, 09:01 AM	#14
James Campbell Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cheshire, CT Posts: 110	Not to hijack, but... Bristol? Cromwell? I'm in Cheshire, and I know of another Vegas user from Brookfield. A virtual CT Vegas/Cineform support group!