CineForm w/ TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0?

Tony Spring · February 28th, 2008, 12:59 AM

I had lots of problems with HD Link freezing when converting large .m2t files to .avi, but I now use TmpegEng to convert to Cineform and it works everytime!

Stephen Armour · February 28th, 2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jose Ortiz

No
What I was saying....
My two main reasons to use tMPGENC is to remove the minimum noise from the original exported footage created by my Canon A1 on low light situations. The second is to compress Hd to a DVD and keeping an awesome quality. Is part of my work flow adopted for my final projects.
I have understood by the cineform people recommend their CF avi files over that mov file for PC users and can see why. I hate to add an extra step to my work flow and add some quality lost to my exported file since we are converting the file again.

I know about the "extra step" thing and for sure that's a pain. I'm just wondering about the loss of quality business? I can't see any difference between downscaled CF AVI and the same files re-wrapped as MOVs when using TMPGEnc to convert to mpgs. Maybe we're just not looking close enough? The DVDs both look very good.

David can you weigh in on this?:

Should there be any loss or difference when re-wrapping CFed HDs from AVI to MOV, then downscaling them to mpg's for burning DVDs? What do you guys recommend here?

David Newman · February 28th, 2008, 05:08 PM

Rewrapping AVIs to MOVs is completely lossless, and fast. There is no quality implication.

David Newman · February 28th, 2008, 05:27 PM

Duplicate post removed.

Douglas Turner · March 6th, 2008, 04:02 PM

Premiere crashes constantly on large exports of my film when I have Colorista and Magic Bullet looks added (even though I've split my film into 5 x 17min projects).

So I export using DebugMode Frameserver, import this into TMPGEnc and export as a Cineform avi - this is the only way I can get a Cineform avi out from Premiere these days!

Also, I use TMPGEnc to convert my Cineform avis into DVDs, WMV HD, divx etc - the latest TMPGEnc crashes when I try to import any cineform avi.

Anyone else getting this? If so, it's not just me, and I need to go back to an older version, as that worked perfectly!

Re-wrapping of avi into mov does take a while with a 90 minute film - if it's just re-wrapping, why does it take so long?

Cheers, Doug.

Stephen Armour · March 6th, 2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Turner

...Re-wrapping of avi into mov does take a while with a 90 minute film - if it's just re-wrapping, why does it take so long?

Cheers, Doug.

It's very fast on our quads. Shouldn't be slow. BTW, our CF AVI's still crash in TMPGEnc...and their support dept wants an AVI to test.

Yeah right! Sure! I always upload 1920x1080p AVI's via the net...

Paolo Brambilla · March 15th, 2008, 03:11 AM

Build 159 is now working fine with TMPGenc 4.4.2.238 on my XP64...

Stephen Armour · March 15th, 2008, 05:47 PM

I know this sounds completely crazy, but with the Build 159, TMPGenc 4.4.2.238 suddenly accepts large CF'ed AVI's and is pegging the quad at 100% CPU use on a test MP2 run!

This is on a 32bit XP system. Haven't tested it on x64 yet.

No other changes to anything, except the latest MS updates.

Hmmmm, David, sounds like you guys found something important out...

David Newman · March 15th, 2008, 06:00 PM

I love this to be true, but we can't take any credit for intentionally fixing it. We fixed a bunch of things in 158 & 159, but we hadn't gotten around to checking out TMPGenc. If all is fine, your findings have saved us that effort.

Jose Ortiz · March 17th, 2008, 10:04 AM

Thanks
I will also confirm tonight this. Wow finally! Great news!

Jose Ortiz · March 18th, 2008, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jose Ortiz

Thanks
I will also confirm tonight this. Wow finally! Great news!

yes now we are back to normal...!

February 28th, 2008, 12:59 AM	#16
Tony Spring Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: london UK Posts: 170	I had lots of problems with HD Link freezing when converting large .m2t files to .avi, but I now use TmpegEng to convert to Cineform and it works everytime! __________________ www.springproductions.co.uk

February 28th, 2008, 05:08 PM	#18
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Rewrapping AVIs to MOVs is completely lossless, and fast. There is no quality implication. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

February 28th, 2008, 05:27 PM	#19
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Duplicate post removed. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 6th, 2008, 04:02 PM	#20
Douglas Turner Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 132	Premiere crashes constantly on large exports of my film when I have Colorista and Magic Bullet looks added (even though I've split my film into 5 x 17min projects). So I export using DebugMode Frameserver, import this into TMPGEnc and export as a Cineform avi - this is the only way I can get a Cineform avi out from Premiere these days! Also, I use TMPGEnc to convert my Cineform avis into DVDs, WMV HD, divx etc - the latest TMPGEnc crashes when I try to import any cineform avi. Anyone else getting this? If so, it's not just me, and I need to go back to an older version, as that worked perfectly! Re-wrapping of avi into mov does take a while with a 90 minute film - if it's just re-wrapping, why does it take so long? Cheers, Doug. __________________ Doug Turner http://therunsmovie.com

March 15th, 2008, 05:47 PM	#23
Stephen Armour Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Natal, RN, Brasil Posts: 900	I know this sounds completely crazy, but with the Build 159, TMPGenc 4.4.2.238 suddenly accepts large CF'ed AVI's and is pegging the quad at 100% CPU use on a test MP2 run! This is on a 32bit XP system. Haven't tested it on x64 yet. No other changes to anything, except the latest MS updates. Hmmmm, David, sounds like you guys found something important out... __________________ http://lightinaction.org "All in the view of the LION"

March 15th, 2008, 03:11 AM	#22
Paolo Brambilla New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Reggio Emilia - Italy Posts: 19	Build 159 is now working fine with TMPGenc 4.4.2.238 on my XP64...

March 15th, 2008, 06:00 PM	#24
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	I love this to be true, but we can't take any credit for intentionally fixing it. We fixed a bunch of things in 158 & 159, but we hadn't gotten around to checking out TMPGenc. If all is fine, your findings have saved us that effort. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 17th, 2008, 10:04 AM	#25
Jose Ortiz Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 347	Thanks I will also confirm tonight this. Wow finally! Great news!