Neo Scene -- various topics

Jeff Harper · January 24th, 2009, 04:33 PM

I'm running a FX1000 and Vegas 8.

Anyone share their experience with Neo Scene?

I downloaded the trial and let it expire before I tried it out. Actually I began to try it, had a glitch and moved on as I was swamped with non-HD work at the time and didn't have time to play with it.

I am about to begin work on some HD footage for the first time and the m2t files are definitely a bear to edit as is.

David Newman · January 24th, 2009, 04:40 PM

http://02bb6aa.netsolhost.com/downlo...106-090123.zip

This is the next verion, it will also give you 3 more days on the trail.

Jeff Harper · January 24th, 2009, 04:42 PM

Thank you David! I'll download it now!

Scott Brickert · January 26th, 2009, 05:55 PM

Any prognostifications on when Neo Scene will be ready for the Mac?

I'm looking at 5x clip duration for spotty results just doing pulldown removal with Compressor. AE seems more reliable, but no faster. 6-8 hours of footage per project puts me up pretty late at night, babysitting Apple's unreliable apps.

The deadlines are now.

:)

David Taylor · January 26th, 2009, 11:07 PM

Soon! More specifically it should be within the next 2-3 weeks. It's being actively worked on.

Lorinda Norton · January 27th, 2009, 01:41 PM

I’m using the trial version of Neo Scene, capturing 24f from my XH A1. When I drag the converted files onto my timeline the video is much shorter than the audio.

During capture/conversion the log shows:
Starting conversion into E:\neoscenetrial\CFHDCap-000.avi
Using MPEG Audio Decoder 3

Is this enough info to tell what I’m doing wrong?

David Newman · January 27th, 2009, 01:47 PM

File a trouble ticket with support. CineForm Support
However, if it is only a few frames different, that is normal, but more that 15 frames what indicate something is wrong.

Lorinda Norton · January 27th, 2009, 01:49 PM

Will do. Thanks for the fast reply!

Brian Stewart · January 27th, 2009, 07:26 PM

I just installed the demo for Neo Scene, and tried to capture some 30p footage from my Canon HV30. When I loaded the AVI file in an external app (Media Center), the audio was way out of sync with the video. Does Neo Scene support this mode? Upon closer examination, I realized it only has options for Maintain Source Framerate and 24p - which is different from the screenshots I have seen of HDLink in other Cineform products. I have checked to make sure I have the camera in HDV-out mode (not DV). I have filed a tech support ticket - but want to make sure I am trying to do something Neo Scene was designed to do... Thanks!

I forgot to mention that the reason I am trying out Neo Scene - in addition to a hopefully streamlined workflow - is that I have had trouble capturing video with the audio in sync in Premiere and HDVSplit - however it seems that the sync is way more off with Neo, for some reason.

Brian Stewart · January 27th, 2009, 07:38 PM

Well, the problem seems to be that my core2duo laptop is still a little too wimpy to play back Cineform files at full quality in real time. Immediately after posting, I noticed the Tools menu with the Desktop Playback - Fast option. I set that, and then everything plays back fine!

David Newman · January 27th, 2009, 07:40 PM

Seems like you have audio problems outside of all those tools -- as there all provide correct audio sync. NEO Scene works with 30p sources without issue. Try another computer, and check you waveform in Premiere to confirm audio sync.

David Newman · January 27th, 2009, 07:42 PM

Yes, I should have thought of that. I'm happy you are all set.

Robin Davies-Rollinson · February 1st, 2009, 06:21 AM

I've been editing my HDV material natively in Premiere CS3 with great success. Since I've just bought Neo Scene to convert and edit AVCHD files, is there also any advantage to capture HDV via Neo Scene as well - or not?
Just wondering...

Chris Barcellos · February 1st, 2009, 05:45 PM

Yes. Editing will be less processor intensive, handle color correction better and other editing processes better. You will have larger files to edit, which is the result of converting the HDV gop to individual frame accurate files.

Robin Davies-Rollinson · February 2nd, 2009, 01:12 AM

Thanks Chris, I'll try some scenes out today.

January 24th, 2009, 04:33 PM	#16
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Neo Scene recommendations I'm running a FX1000 and Vegas 8. Anyone share their experience with Neo Scene? I downloaded the trial and let it expire before I tried it out. Actually I began to try it, had a glitch and moved on as I was swamped with non-HD work at the time and didn't have time to play with it. I am about to begin work on some HD footage for the first time and the m2t files are definitely a bear to edit as is.

January 24th, 2009, 04:40 PM	#17
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	http://02bb6aa.netsolhost.com/downlo...106-090123.zip This is the next verion, it will also give you 3 more days on the trail. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

January 26th, 2009, 05:55 PM	#19
Scott Brickert Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Crested Butte, CO Posts: 576	Neo Scene on the MAC---WHEN? Any prognostifications on when Neo Scene will be ready for the Mac? I'm looking at 5x clip duration for spotty results just doing pulldown removal with Compressor. AE seems more reliable, but no faster. 6-8 hours of footage per project puts me up pretty late at night, babysitting Apple's unreliable apps. The deadlines are now. :) __________________ Scott Shot-By-Scott

January 27th, 2009, 01:41 PM	#21
Lorinda Norton Wrangler Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southwest Idaho, USA Posts: 3,066	Neo Scene trial - video shorter than audio I’m using the trial version of Neo Scene, capturing 24f from my XH A1. When I drag the converted files onto my timeline the video is much shorter than the audio. During capture/conversion the log shows: Starting conversion into E:\neoscenetrial\CFHDCap-000.avi Using MPEG Audio Decoder 3 Is this enough info to tell what I’m doing wrong? __________________ Lorinda

January 27th, 2009, 01:47 PM	#22
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	File a trouble ticket with support. CineForm Support However, if it is only a few frames different, that is normal, but more that 15 frames what indicate something is wrong. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

January 24th, 2009, 04:42 PM	#18
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Thank you David! I'll download it now!

January 26th, 2009, 11:07 PM	#20
David Taylor Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 853	Soon! More specifically it should be within the next 2-3 weeks. It's being actively worked on.

January 27th, 2009, 01:49 PM	#23
Lorinda Norton Wrangler Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southwest Idaho, USA Posts: 3,066	Will do. Thanks for the fast reply! __________________ Lorinda

January 27th, 2009, 07:26 PM	#24
Brian Stewart New Boot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 8	Neo Scene and HV30 30p: Audio Sync Issues I just installed the demo for Neo Scene, and tried to capture some 30p footage from my Canon HV30. When I loaded the AVI file in an external app (Media Center), the audio was way out of sync with the video. Does Neo Scene support this mode? Upon closer examination, I realized it only has options for Maintain Source Framerate and 24p - which is different from the screenshots I have seen of HDLink in other Cineform products. I have checked to make sure I have the camera in HDV-out mode (not DV). I have filed a tech support ticket - but want to make sure I am trying to do something Neo Scene was designed to do... Thanks! I forgot to mention that the reason I am trying out Neo Scene - in addition to a hopefully streamlined workflow - is that I have had trouble capturing video with the audio in sync in Premiere and HDVSplit - however it seems that the sync is way more off with Neo, for some reason. Last edited by Brian Stewart; January 27th, 2009 at 07:29 PM. Reason: Forgot some important info

January 27th, 2009, 07:38 PM	#25
Brian Stewart New Boot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 8	Well, the problem seems to be that my core2duo laptop is still a little too wimpy to play back Cineform files at full quality in real time. Immediately after posting, I noticed the Tools menu with the Desktop Playback - Fast option. I set that, and then everything plays back fine!

January 27th, 2009, 07:40 PM	#26
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Seems like you have audio problems outside of all those tools -- as there all provide correct audio sync. NEO Scene works with 30p sources without issue. Try another computer, and check you waveform in Premiere to confirm audio sync. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

January 27th, 2009, 07:42 PM	#27
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Yes, I should have thought of that. I'm happy you are all set. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

February 1st, 2009, 06:21 AM	#28
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	Advantage with Neo Scene HDV in Premiere CS3? I've been editing my HDV material natively in Premiere CS3 with great success. Since I've just bought Neo Scene to convert and edit AVCHD files, is there also any advantage to capture HDV via Neo Scene as well - or not? Just wondering...

February 1st, 2009, 05:45 PM	#29
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Yes. Editing will be less processor intensive, handle color correction better and other editing processes better. You will have larger files to edit, which is the result of converting the HDV gop to individual frame accurate files. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

February 2nd, 2009, 01:12 AM	#30
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	Thanks Chris, I'll try some scenes out today.