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Old January 19th, 2009, 07:19 PM   #1
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Difference between NeoHDV and Neo Scene

Hi,

Iím a user of Neo HDV, and I see that you have an upgrade program to Neo Scene. I understand that the following are differences between the two products:

* Support for AVCHD
* Future software updates will only be to the Neo Scene product.
* Neo Scene does not support the two film scan modes that seemed to be overkill for HDV anyway.

What other differences exist right now? Since I use HDV (M2T), is there any compelling reason for me to upgrade now?

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Old January 20th, 2009, 12:23 PM   #2
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One major difference for me is that NEO Scene supports full 1920x1080.
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Old January 20th, 2009, 10:13 PM   #3
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One major difference for me is that NEO Scene supports full 1920x1080.
Good point. I forgot to mention that above. Since all of my shooting is in HDV, this is not a resolution I care about, so for me, this is not a reason to upgrade. Others may find it compelling.

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Old January 20th, 2009, 10:58 PM   #4
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Those who are doing significant color correction or grading may find great utility in the upgraded program. 10-bit color is really the bottom end when it comes to doing intricate color work. Really 12-14 bits is where you'd like to be.
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OT: I think you thinking of linear precision, then more than 10-bit is necessary. Typical film filming uses 10-bit DPX files with a cineon log curve, show that 10-bit is sufficient for with a suitable curve.
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Old January 21st, 2009, 10:46 AM   #6
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OT: I think you thinking of linear precision, then more than 10-bit is necessary. Typical film filming uses 10-bit DPX files with a cineon log curve, show that 10-bit is sufficient for with a suitable curve.
Yes, I am talking linear precision. There are a number of suitable log curves, Cineon, Panalog, etc. Amazingly, I was able to download a free Panalog DPX tool from Panavision. AWESOME tool.
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 02:54 PM   #7
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Those who are doing significant color correction or grading may find great utility in the upgraded program. 10-bit color is really the bottom end when it comes to doing intricate color work. Really 12-14 bits is where you'd like to be.
I mostly shoot underwater video, so improvements for color correction are a big deal for me. Thanks!

Dave, I think it would be good to put up some kind of check list that shows the enhancements. For some reason, I thought that Neo already supported 10-bit color.
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 03:22 PM   #8
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NEO use 10-bit for compression, and decodes with 32-bit float precision within Premiere Pro and After Effect. Prospect adds 32-bit filters and controls more of the color precision issue for you. If you use an 8-bit filter you can have color correction issue. Prospect might be best for you.
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I've just started the trial period with Neo Scene since I want to edit my 1920 AVCHD files with CS3 Premiere Pro. I'm not sure about the import preset to use. Should I create a custom preset under the "desktop" heading? - there doesn't seem to be any other 1920 options other than Sony EX etc.
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New project, custom settings, then select desktop mode. From here you can create any preset you like.
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Thanks David - that's what I ended up doing (intuition or what!!!)
I must say, it's all working a treat and I've edited some test AVCHD at full rez with no problem - except, in some interlaced footage, I ended up with some "combing" on movement, even though I was using the correct field setting. Perhaps I should shoot everything in25p...?
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You might get combing in the preview, but it should appear in your exports. Do check interpret footage that it is being flagged as interlaced not progressive. Advice, always shoot progressive if you can, unless you are shooting a reality show or your kid's soccer match.
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NEO use 10-bit for compression, and decodes with 32-bit float precision within Premiere Pro and After Effect. Prospect adds 32-bit filters and controls more of the color precision issue for you. If you use an 8-bit filter you can have color correction issue. Prospect might be best for you.
I use Vegas Pro. How does Neo Scene handle color under Vegas?
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read http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/cineform-...-neoscene.html then re-ask your question if it not answered.
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