Any way of identifying what settings I used? at DVinfo.net

Stuart Campbell · January 27th, 2009, 07:49 AM

I rendered out a 13 minute project to an intermediate AVI using Cineform Codec (I have NEO) and put the AVI onto a new timeline so we could apply a new aspect ratio to the entire film. Anyway, we had to make some changes to the original edit and this morning begun the re-render to the new, pre cropped intermediate.

The problem however is that the new render will take 16 hours probably ending up over 100GB. The one we had the other day came in at 4.3Gb and rendered inside 2 hours.

The problem is I've forgotten what I did to get the 4.3Gb target on the original!

How do I find out which setting I used to get that size?

We render to AVI from Sony Vegas 7.0e, having selected AVI 720p25fps intermediate AVI.

Cheers
Stuart

David Newman · January 27th, 2009, 10:25 AM

At 100GB for 13 minutes, that is not a CineForm file, that is even a little bigger than uncompressed. Vegas settings got messed up. 13 mintues of 720p25 at High quality should fit under 4GB.

Stuart Campbell · January 28th, 2009, 06:20 AM

Hi David,

That's really interesting!

I'm really confused by what you say there. I did a trial and error test to see which codec setting I originally chose and started from HD Low which gave me about 2 Gb. HD Medium gave me about 4Gb, which lead me to believe that was what I chose originally. I didn't test HIGH because a: I'd not read your post and b: because that was what it was set to when I got my huge file size and render time.

When I rendered with Intermediate AVI 720p25 with the codec setting to HD High my render times were going up to 16 hours or so and the file getting BIG!

Is this Vegas playing around?

Furthermore, to your post I've rendered many things out as an uncompressed AVI in HIGH mode to send to post houses etc and even a 5 second clip comes out as a whole Gb. As you say, these really are not far off the sizes I'd expect from rendering out to uncompressed AVI.

Is there something strange going on with Vegas perhaps? I'll do a test with the same clip to uncompressed and intermediate HIGH and compare the sizes.

In the mean time, what is the data rate info for each of the intermediate render settings compared to quality. It'd be interesting to know the differences between LOW MEDIUM and HIGH and be able to calculate the file sizes as a result.

Many thanks
Stuart

Keith Paisley · January 28th, 2009, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart Campbell

Hi David,

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Is this Vegas playing around?

this may sound like a dumb question but have you verified that your preset for "intermediate high" hasn't somehow been corrupted? It almost sounds like that preset is no longer invoking the Cineform codec.

Idar Lettrem · January 29th, 2009, 10:38 AM

Odd. maybe you're nesting and renesting the sequence over and over again ?

Stuart Campbell · January 30th, 2009, 06:26 AM

Idar,

You were spot on. I had a nested project on there with a bit from another nested project. Didn't realise.

But, how would that make a difference? Surely the render is just what's on the timeline. regardless of it's source?

January 27th, 2009, 07:49 AM	#1
Stuart Campbell Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hannover, Germany Posts: 400	Any way of identifying what settings I used? I rendered out a 13 minute project to an intermediate AVI using Cineform Codec (I have NEO) and put the AVI onto a new timeline so we could apply a new aspect ratio to the entire film. Anyway, we had to make some changes to the original edit and this morning begun the re-render to the new, pre cropped intermediate. The problem however is that the new render will take 16 hours probably ending up over 100GB. The one we had the other day came in at 4.3Gb and rendered inside 2 hours. The problem is I've forgotten what I did to get the 4.3Gb target on the original! How do I find out which setting I used to get that size? We render to AVI from Sony Vegas 7.0e, having selected AVI 720p25fps intermediate AVI. Cheers Stuart

January 27th, 2009, 10:25 AM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	At 100GB for 13 minutes, that is not a CineForm file, that is even a little bigger than uncompressed. Vegas settings got messed up. 13 mintues of 720p25 at High quality should fit under 4GB. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

January 28th, 2009, 06:20 AM	#3
Stuart Campbell Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hannover, Germany Posts: 400	Hi David, That's really interesting! I'm really confused by what you say there. I did a trial and error test to see which codec setting I originally chose and started from HD Low which gave me about 2 Gb. HD Medium gave me about 4Gb, which lead me to believe that was what I chose originally. I didn't test HIGH because a: I'd not read your post and b: because that was what it was set to when I got my huge file size and render time. When I rendered with Intermediate AVI 720p25 with the codec setting to HD High my render times were going up to 16 hours or so and the file getting BIG! Is this Vegas playing around? Furthermore, to your post I've rendered many things out as an uncompressed AVI in HIGH mode to send to post houses etc and even a 5 second clip comes out as a whole Gb. As you say, these really are not far off the sizes I'd expect from rendering out to uncompressed AVI. Is there something strange going on with Vegas perhaps? I'll do a test with the same clip to uncompressed and intermediate HIGH and compare the sizes. In the mean time, what is the data rate info for each of the intermediate render settings compared to quality. It'd be interesting to know the differences between LOW MEDIUM and HIGH and be able to calculate the file sizes as a result. Many thanks Stuart

January 29th, 2009, 10:38 AM	#5
Idar Lettrem Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: norway Posts: 50	Odd. maybe you're nesting and renesting the sequence over and over again ?

January 30th, 2009, 06:26 AM	#6
Stuart Campbell Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hannover, Germany Posts: 400	Idar, You were spot on. I had a nested project on there with a bit from another nested project. Didn't realise. But, how would that make a difference? Surely the render is just what's on the timeline. regardless of it's source?