Neoscene crushed blacks in CS4 at DVinfo.net

Robert Coppa · March 4th, 2009, 12:34 AM

Hi All
I downloaded and installed NeoScene, i have converted my 5D2 .mov file to .avi file using HDLINK. I then import into PPro CS4 and notice the crushed blacks. If i load the original .mov the crushed blacks do not appear.

Questions:
1. am i doing something wrong?
2. am i NOT doing something i should be?
3. should i be using adj layers and reset the blacks and highlights inside PP or AE CS4?

Your help, comments and suggestions would be great appreciated
Thx
Robert
je-photo.com

David Newman · March 4th, 2009, 09:18 AM

Only Neo Scene 1.1.2 adresses this with-out adding filters in post. Make sure you are running the latest version.

Robert Coppa · March 4th, 2009, 09:24 AM

David
Thanks for you reply. I downloaded 1.1.2 just 2 days ago. Need i do anything else ?

Thx
Robert

David Newman · March 4th, 2009, 10:12 AM

Sorry I forgot, more Adobe bugs. :)

CineForm output is correct, and nothing is lost or crushed. However, the MOV CS4 output overly compensates or running the wrong gamma curve. If you run the RGB parade you will see the stock CS4 output is full of holes stretching the image brighter with a gamma applied (left image) whereas CineForm is not crushed (right image.)

Robert Coppa · March 4th, 2009, 10:16 AM

OK, so in essence i would have to correct via adjustment layer to get required output given the current CS4 constraints ?

David Newman · March 4th, 2009, 10:25 AM

For CS4 native output, you can't reverse those holes it has created, so is not a good starting point. If you want the CineForm (correct) output to look like CS4 (wrong), add Levels with 115 gamma on RGB. Please look at the RGB Parade you will see the nothing is crushed in CineForm, it is the Adobe output that is wrong. I'm saying it like this as you making it sound like you need to correct it to look like the CS4 MOV output, when you don't.

Robert Coppa · March 4th, 2009, 10:31 AM

David,
Finally the penny drops. I got it -- thanks for your patience and feedback!
Cheers

March 4th, 2009, 12:34 AM	#1
Robert Coppa Tourist Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Canberra, ACT, Australia Posts: 4	Neoscene crushed blacks in CS4 Hi All I downloaded and installed NeoScene, i have converted my 5D2 .mov file to .avi file using HDLINK. I then import into PPro CS4 and notice the crushed blacks. If i load the original .mov the crushed blacks do not appear. Questions: 1. am i doing something wrong? 2. am i NOT doing something i should be? 3. should i be using adj layers and reset the blacks and highlights inside PP or AE CS4? Your help, comments and suggestions would be great appreciated Thx Robert je-photo.com

March 4th, 2009, 09:18 AM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Only Neo Scene 1.1.2 adresses this with-out adding filters in post. Make sure you are running the latest version. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 4th, 2009, 10:12 AM	#4
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Sorry I forgot, more Adobe bugs. :) CineForm output is correct, and nothing is lost or crushed. However, the MOV CS4 output overly compensates or running the wrong gamma curve. If you run the RGB parade you will see the stock CS4 output is full of holes stretching the image brighter with a gamma applied (left image) whereas CineForm is not crushed (right image.) Attached Images __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 4th, 2009, 10:25 AM	#6
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	For CS4 native output, you can't reverse those holes it has created, so is not a good starting point. If you want the CineForm (correct) output to look like CS4 (wrong), add Levels with 115 gamma on RGB. Please look at the RGB Parade you will see the nothing is crushed in CineForm, it is the Adobe output that is wrong. I'm saying it like this as you making it sound like you need to correct it to look like the CS4 MOV output, when you don't. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 4th, 2009, 09:24 AM	#3
Robert Coppa Tourist Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Canberra, ACT, Australia Posts: 4	David Thanks for you reply. I downloaded 1.1.2 just 2 days ago. Need i do anything else ? Thx Robert

March 4th, 2009, 10:16 AM	#5
Robert Coppa Tourist Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Canberra, ACT, Australia Posts: 4	OK, so in essence i would have to correct via adjustment layer to get required output given the current CS4 constraints ?

March 4th, 2009, 10:31 AM	#7
Robert Coppa Tourist Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Canberra, ACT, Australia Posts: 4	David, Finally the penny drops. I got it -- thanks for your patience and feedback! Cheers