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Old October 18th, 2009, 01:04 PM   #1
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New PC beta releases for Neo/Prospect + 3D

Some big enhancements to First Light and Active Metadata color system is the primary reason to jump to these betas, although there are always minor subtle tweaks that didn't even make the readme file. First Light was pretty easy before, but it now is even easier to create the look you are after. Some internal new management of curves makes the lift/gamma/gain (shadow/midtone/highlight) much more intuitive, and also allowed for the addition of a contrast control. To get the best of the new color controls, set the new Workspace curve control for the "Primaries" from Linear (how it was) to "Output Curve." This is the first release of Neo 3D for windows, so get started on you 3D feature now. No major CS4 changes in this beta, more of that likely in the next.

The beta are here, bug reports are welcome.

Neo Player http://www.cineform.com/downloads/Ne...224-091016.zip
Neo HD http://www.cineform.com/downloads/Ne...224-091016.zip
Neo 4K http://www.cineform.com/downloads/Ne...224-091016.zip
Neo 3D http://www.cineform.com/downloads/Ne...224-091016.zip
Prospect HD http://www.cineform.com/downloads/Pr...224-091016.zip
Prospect 4K http://www.cineform.com/downloads/Pr...224-091016.zip
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Old October 18th, 2009, 03:34 PM   #2
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On the new First Light Prospect HD version, the global check boxes under the preview window don't seem to have an effect.
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Old October 18th, 2009, 08:42 PM   #3
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They effect only external decodes. I can't remember why we don't have them impact the FL view.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 05:02 PM   #4
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Will these things (contrast) arrive on the Mac side soon as well?

In Neo HD?

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Old October 19th, 2009, 06:30 PM   #5
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Yes! We play leapfrog with Windows and Mac as to which one gets new features first. Hopefully we'll have a Mac update this week that includes the new FL features.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 11:41 PM   #6
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just a few technical question's

on the primaries curve option what exactly is that doing....is it changing the color space(linear or output gamma) of the calculations....multiplying them by a gamma if that is what the output curve is
(edit....i guess I could always read the manual)

also coming from a Red centric workflow (annoying yes I know) what would be the equivalent for changing the ISO of a shot....a GAIN and LIFT combination??
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I have a FirstLight bug with ProspectHD, FLPlayer crashes whenever the video plays. I reinstalled 4.1.1 and it plays okay.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 12:50 AM   #8
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primaries curve -- is the curve you are doing you correction in. Opteration like saturation and matricing should occur in linear space, yet left/gamma/gain is more a creative operation that should occur in curve you are seeing.

ISO is all gain -- in linear space. Makes me think we should have a exposure slider that works in linear, while gain operates in curved space, the color engine supports that -- oh well, yet will have to be in another version.
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I have a FirstLight bug with ProspectHD, FLPlayer crashes whenever the video plays. I reinstalled 4.1.1 and it plays okay.
That is why it is beta. :) We have found and fixed that crash.
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ISO is all gain -- in linear space. Makes me think we should have a exposure slider that works in linear, while gain operates in curved space, the color engine supports that -- oh well, yet will have to be in another version.
that would be great....
some apps we still need to use native r3d...and it would be nice to match changes easily between the 2

i can see your on it, and great work on the new version of first light...
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audio loses sync

Using the beta, the audio drifts in files converted from 7D MOV files. They lose about 1.5 frames per minute. The picture appears OK. I don't have the problem with HDV files converted to cineform AVI.

I'm using HDLink to convert 25P 1920 x 1080 files from the 7D, medium quality. I've not chosen to change frame rate from 25fps. The HDV files are 25F from an XHA1, and these seem to have no problems.

I did notice thatHDLink reports something about a 5D and 29.97 in the log. ??? I haven't chosen any settings that reference 29.97.

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Old October 21st, 2009, 02:16 PM   #12
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that would be great....
some apps we still need to use native r3d...and it would be nice to match changes easily between the 2

i can see your on it, and great work on the new version of first light...
The official verison will include an exposure control.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 02:18 PM   #13
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Bill, can you please send a sample 25p file via yousendit to support@cineform.com?

If HDLink is mistaking the file for a 30.00p file, it will try to convert the audio and video to 29.97. If it's 25p, that makes it 24.975, which obviously is invalid.

With your sample file, we can figure out what's going wrong and fix it.

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