Timeline monitoring

Rich Perry · February 26th, 2010, 08:15 PM

I am just wondering if there is any word from the cineform folks on what video interfaces will be supported in CS5 using Cineform presets for timeline monitoring? Will currently supported cards/devices in CS4, CS5 be supported or will there be develpment time needed to intergrate these drivers?

I am particularly interested to find out if AJA XENA LH(e) will be supported and the Matrox MX02 using cineform presets?

Ian Lewis · February 27th, 2010, 04:13 AM

I'd also be really interested to know if anyone is working with Cineform and the Motu interfaces...
Ian

Paul Cook · February 27th, 2010, 05:19 AM

I think its high time an AFFORDABLE monitoring option is provided, especially in light of the real time power CS5 supposedly brings to the table. I mean if something like the Matrox or Intensity cards that can be had for as little as $199 work well with CS5 and the new realtime Mercury engine - cineforms 'you gotta spend $750 for our codec PLUS an additional $1500 on a Xena' for the same work-flow would be very hard to swallow.

Just saying...

Geoff Gartside · February 27th, 2010, 05:53 AM

.....and what about Blackmagic Design - has the prospect of support for this major hardware supplier been forgotten altogether? At least we can monitor with first Light.

Paul Cook · February 28th, 2010, 09:45 PM

I was referring to Blackmagic with the Intensity card - that's the cheapest way to monitor from the timeline - all but useless if you're using cineform however. I seem to remember that black magic support has been on the 'we're looking into it' cards for over 3 years now... maybe a lot longer...not good

Geoff Gartside · March 1st, 2010, 04:29 PM

We can play back CineForm files in First Light and see the output on our external monitor by selecting the Blackmagic Multibridge as playback device, which is great. The images look super. This works SDI or HDMI

We can also open a Blackmagic sequence in CS4, within a CineForm project and, by copying the our working cineform sequence into it, play it back using the multibrigde - but it's pretty poor - stuttering, freezing etc.. (Basic Quad core PC).

Rich Perry · March 1st, 2010, 06:03 PM

Thanks for the info Geoff, I am hoping that Cineform will weigh in with what cards/devices are currently supported in CS3/4 and to what level (either cineform preset or device preset). Also what plans are there to get them ported to CS5 and how quickly this may happen.

Would be great if there was a complete list of all supported cards for each version of PP for timeline monitoring. I am still interested mostly in the Matrox / AJA products and am wondering if any there is any word on the MX02?

Don Blish · March 1st, 2010, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Cook

I think its high time an AFFORDABLE monitoring option is provided, especially in light of the real time power CS5 supposedly brings to the table.....

Just saying...

I have no inside info, but my understanding is that all the "power" of CS5 and the "Mercury Engine" is dependent on a $1000+ Nvidia Quadro, and only the massively parallel Quadro. Price/performance should be better with the next round of Nvidia graphics engine (gf100) that is likely to be debuted at NAB in April.

Paul Cook · March 1st, 2010, 10:52 PM

Perhaps you should do a little more research before posting then Don? The very first result after googling 'adobe mercury engine' reveals video and copy that shows how it works and also states it works with a sub $300 GeForce GTX 285!!

And even if it dropping $1k on a graphics card was the only way - still leaves you $500 better off than with a Xena and $1200 better off if you figure out you really dont need cineform at all anymore..

David Newman · March 1st, 2010, 11:18 PM

Mercury with a nice Gfx card doesn't replace a Xena card, nor does it replace CineForm, they are all complementary.

Rich Perry · March 2nd, 2010, 08:13 AM

David, do you chaps have a list of supported cards anywhere?
Whats supported currently in CS3 and will be in CS5 - also any work on the Matrox MX02?
Thx -

Bob Krieger · March 2nd, 2010, 09:36 AM

FWIW,
I have been playing wth the Cineform Neoscene trial on Premiere CS4 on two machines. I have a Matrox MXO2 mini attached to a Dell Dimension 4400 workstation laptop. When I start Premiere with a Matrox project in the format I want (720p usually so far) and import my Cineform transformed files, they play quite nicely on my external HD monitor via the HDMI connection. This worked for CS3 as well, without the Cineform test.

This seems to work fine for me, and I would assume (although we all know wat "assume" means) that the CS5 workflow would be similar.

Hope this helps, if not, sorry about muddying the waters!

David Newman · March 2nd, 2010, 10:08 AM

Good point Bob. While CineForm support some cards within tools like First Light, cards vendors also support us. CineForm is a good fix for MXO2 if you use the Matrox presets.

Rich Perry · March 2nd, 2010, 11:54 AM

Thanks for the Info Bob. David, any word on when/if it will be supported with cineform presets? - thx.

February 26th, 2010, 08:15 PM	#1
Rich Perry Major Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nashua NH Posts: 278	Timeline monitoring - CS5 I am just wondering if there is any word from the cineform folks on what video interfaces will be supported in CS5 using Cineform presets for timeline monitoring? Will currently supported cards/devices in CS4, CS5 be supported or will there be develpment time needed to intergrate these drivers? I am particularly interested to find out if AJA XENA LH(e) will be supported and the Matrox MX02 using cineform presets?

March 1st, 2010, 04:29 PM	#6
Geoff Gartside Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Llangernyw Posts: 38	Blackmagic & CineForm We can play back CineForm files in First Light and see the output on our external monitor by selecting the Blackmagic Multibridge as playback device, which is great. The images look super. This works SDI or HDMI We can also open a Blackmagic sequence in CS4, within a CineForm project and, by copying the our working cineform sequence into it, play it back using the multibrigde - but it's pretty poor - stuttering, freezing etc.. (Basic Quad core PC). Last edited by Geoff Gartside; March 1st, 2010 at 05:08 PM. Reason: Read tech notes!

March 1st, 2010, 11:18 PM	#10
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Mercury with a nice Gfx card doesn't replace a Xena card, nor does it replace CineForm, they are all complementary. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 2nd, 2010, 10:08 AM	#13
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Good point Bob. While CineForm support some cards within tools like First Light, cards vendors also support us. CineForm is a good fix for MXO2 if you use the Matrox presets. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

February 27th, 2010, 04:13 AM	#2
Ian Lewis Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Farnham, UK Posts: 87	I'd also be really interested to know if anyone is working with Cineform and the Motu interfaces... Ian

February 27th, 2010, 05:19 AM	#3
Paul Cook Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 174	I think its high time an AFFORDABLE monitoring option is provided, especially in light of the real time power CS5 supposedly brings to the table. I mean if something like the Matrox or Intensity cards that can be had for as little as $199 work well with CS5 and the new realtime Mercury engine - cineforms 'you gotta spend $750 for our codec PLUS an additional $1500 on a Xena' for the same work-flow would be very hard to swallow. Just saying...

February 27th, 2010, 05:53 AM	#4
Geoff Gartside Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Llangernyw Posts: 38	.....and what about Blackmagic Design - has the prospect of support for this major hardware supplier been forgotten altogether? At least we can monitor with first Light.

February 28th, 2010, 09:45 PM	#5
Paul Cook Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 174	I was referring to Blackmagic with the Intensity card - that's the cheapest way to monitor from the timeline - all but useless if you're using cineform however. I seem to remember that black magic support has been on the 'we're looking into it' cards for over 3 years now... maybe a lot longer...not good

March 1st, 2010, 06:03 PM	#7
Rich Perry Major Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nashua NH Posts: 278	Thanks for the info Geoff, I am hoping that Cineform will weigh in with what cards/devices are currently supported in CS3/4 and to what level (either cineform preset or device preset). Also what plans are there to get them ported to CS5 and how quickly this may happen. Would be great if there was a complete list of all supported cards for each version of PP for timeline monitoring. I am still interested mostly in the Matrox / AJA products and am wondering if any there is any word on the MX02?

March 1st, 2010, 10:52 PM	#9
Paul Cook Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 174	Perhaps you should do a little more research before posting then Don? The very first result after googling 'adobe mercury engine' reveals video and copy that shows how it works and also states it works with a sub $300 GeForce GTX 285!! And even if it dropping $1k on a graphics card was the only way - still leaves you $500 better off than with a Xena and $1200 better off if you figure out you really dont need cineform at all anymore..

March 2nd, 2010, 08:13 AM	#11
Rich Perry Major Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nashua NH Posts: 278	David, do you chaps have a list of supported cards anywhere? Whats supported currently in CS3 and will be in CS5 - also any work on the Matrox MX02? Thx -

March 2nd, 2010, 09:36 AM	#12
Bob Krieger Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Abita Springs, LA Posts: 245	FWIW, I have been playing wth the Cineform Neoscene trial on Premiere CS4 on two machines. I have a Matrox MXO2 mini attached to a Dell Dimension 4400 workstation laptop. When I start Premiere with a Matrox project in the format I want (720p usually so far) and import my Cineform transformed files, they play quite nicely on my external HD monitor via the HDMI connection. This worked for CS3 as well, without the Cineform test. This seems to work fine for me, and I would assume (although we all know wat "assume" means) that the CS5 workflow would be similar. Hope this helps, if not, sorry about muddying the waters!

March 2nd, 2010, 11:54 AM	#14
Rich Perry Major Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nashua NH Posts: 278	Thanks for the Info Bob. David, any word on when/if it will be supported with cineform presets? - thx.