FL still incorrectly reading/interpreting 30 fps TC? at DVinfo.net

Stephen Armour · March 2nd, 2010, 05:22 PM

David, I thought (maybe incorrectly) that one of the previous problems with FL (reading older HDLink 30 fps material as 25 fps) had been fixed in the latest update? I think I remember that this was supposed to be true with newer CF output. Apparently we still need to keep "converting" everything? I can't get HDLink to re-convert AVI to AVI anymore either, so I must be doing something wrong?

I was going to create a "hard" TC window for making some downsized output for different translators. When I pulled up some of our newest 1920x1080p output (from ProspectHD) and looked at it in FL, it's back to doing like before and interpreting it as 24 fps.

Is this something that was supposed to be fixed (or will eventually get fixed) for new output, or should I forget about it happening, or did I just miss something?

David Newman · March 2nd, 2010, 06:02 PM

Should be fixed, although there might be corner cases where it is not. I need to know source file types that convert through HDlink with the wrong timecode base.

Stephen Armour · March 2nd, 2010, 06:42 PM

It's mostly V1U output, bumped to 1920x1080 30p, edited in Premiere CS3 with Prospect HD and output from the same. Could be that some of the source files were from before the HDLink fix.

Now the mystery deepens. When I rewrapped to MOV and opened in FL, the TC went to 02:19:14:00, the Metadata field included CineForm, ExifTool, File, RIFF, BMP, and Composite and still reads wrong!

I opened some older material as well and it's as before, reading as 24 fps.

David Newman · March 2nd, 2010, 06:46 PM

Re-wrapping doesn't regenerate the timecode. Start with fresh sources are I think you are looking at old data.

Stephen Armour · March 2nd, 2010, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

Re-wrapping doesn't regenerate the timecode. Start with fresh sources are I think you are looking at old data.

Fair enough, but does that include AVI masters I output today from ProspectHD? How does the CF codec handle output from Premiere? Does that mean any output containing older CF video will not be interpreted correctly? Basically that would annul any use of FL for easy metadata inclusions/changes, if you used older material.

Plus, the AVI to AVI "conversion" workaround from before is no longer working around (for me).

Still need that TC regenerator fix...

Stephen Armour · March 2nd, 2010, 07:12 PM

I just looked at some material shot and captured last nite (V1) on another ws and it's the same story. Somethings wrong.

I also looked at some HDLink converted material from an AVCHD Sony cam from last nite and it's being interpreted incorrectly as well.

David Newman · March 2nd, 2010, 07:27 PM

File as bug with support, or move to 24Hz country. :)

We will need that Sony AVCHD source clip.

David

Stephen Armour · March 2nd, 2010, 08:02 PM

Why would that particular AVCHD clip help you if everything we've looked at does it, including from different V1's?

I could chop a piece off one of the mpg's we brought here from that cam (it's was an out-of-house cam) and upload it, but this seems rather more basic than that. As in "it just doesn't work".

I'm running out of time tonight, but will take a look at our other workstations in the morning and see if all are doing the same thing in FL.

As to changing our shooting pref's...we'd be doing things with two new PMW-350's if we could! But until the USA launch of our "Tetelestai" series in a few weeks, our non-profit legs are barely staggering along with ancient V1's. Maybe soon, maybe soon...

David Newman · March 2nd, 2010, 08:52 PM

please talk to support. They will confirm if something has broken, and they will ask for a clip.

Stephen Armour · March 3rd, 2010, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Newman

please talk to support. They will confirm if something has broken, and they will ask for a clip.

First I'm dropping back to the last release from this beta and checking. Will get back here in a bit.

Just for your info, I checked another x64 ws and it's the same story.

Stephen Armour · March 3rd, 2010, 08:27 AM

Dropped back from the 4.2.1.238 beta, to 4.2.0.237, then back to the beta, but nothing changed with any.

I remember some earlier edition doing things correctly, but which one was it...

I'll file it with support, but will also try an older version just for fun.

March 2nd, 2010, 05:22 PM	#1
Stephen Armour Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Natal, RN, Brasil Posts: 900	FL still incorrectly reading/interpreting 30 fps TC? David, I thought (maybe incorrectly) that one of the previous problems with FL (reading older HDLink 30 fps material as 25 fps) had been fixed in the latest update? I think I remember that this was supposed to be true with newer CF output. Apparently we still need to keep "converting" everything? I can't get HDLink to re-convert AVI to AVI anymore either, so I must be doing something wrong? I was going to create a "hard" TC window for making some downsized output for different translators. When I pulled up some of our newest 1920x1080p output (from ProspectHD) and looked at it in FL, it's back to doing like before and interpreting it as 24 fps. Is this something that was supposed to be fixed (or will eventually get fixed) for new output, or should I forget about it happening, or did I just miss something? __________________ http://lightinaction.org "All in the view of the LION"

March 2nd, 2010, 06:02 PM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Should be fixed, although there might be corner cases where it is not. I need to know source file types that convert through HDlink with the wrong timecode base. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 2nd, 2010, 06:42 PM	#3
Stephen Armour Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Natal, RN, Brasil Posts: 900	It's mostly V1U output, bumped to 1920x1080 30p, edited in Premiere CS3 with Prospect HD and output from the same. Could be that some of the source files were from before the HDLink fix. Now the mystery deepens. When I rewrapped to MOV and opened in FL, the TC went to 02:19:14:00, the Metadata field included CineForm, ExifTool, File, RIFF, BMP, and Composite and still reads wrong! I opened some older material as well and it's as before, reading as 24 fps. __________________ http://lightinaction.org "All in the view of the LION"

March 2nd, 2010, 06:46 PM	#4
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Re-wrapping doesn't regenerate the timecode. Start with fresh sources are I think you are looking at old data. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 2nd, 2010, 07:12 PM	#6
Stephen Armour Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Natal, RN, Brasil Posts: 900	I just looked at some material shot and captured last nite (V1) on another ws and it's the same story. Somethings wrong. I also looked at some HDLink converted material from an AVCHD Sony cam from last nite and it's being interpreted incorrectly as well. __________________ http://lightinaction.org "All in the view of the LION"

March 2nd, 2010, 07:27 PM	#7
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	File as bug with support, or move to 24Hz country. :) We will need that Sony AVCHD source clip. David __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 2nd, 2010, 08:02 PM	#8
Stephen Armour Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Natal, RN, Brasil Posts: 900	Why would that particular AVCHD clip help you if everything we've looked at does it, including from different V1's? I could chop a piece off one of the mpg's we brought here from that cam (it's was an out-of-house cam) and upload it, but this seems rather more basic than that. As in "it just doesn't work". I'm running out of time tonight, but will take a look at our other workstations in the morning and see if all are doing the same thing in FL. As to changing our shooting pref's...we'd be doing things with two new PMW-350's if we could! But until the USA launch of our "Tetelestai" series in a few weeks, our non-profit legs are barely staggering along with ancient V1's. Maybe soon, maybe soon... __________________ http://lightinaction.org "All in the view of the LION"

March 2nd, 2010, 08:52 PM	#9
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	please talk to support. They will confirm if something has broken, and they will ask for a clip. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

March 3rd, 2010, 08:27 AM	#11
Stephen Armour Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Natal, RN, Brasil Posts: 900	Dropped back from the 4.2.1.238 beta, to 4.2.0.237, then back to the beta, but nothing changed with any. I remember some earlier edition doing things correctly, but which one was it... I'll file it with support, but will also try an older version just for fun. __________________ http://lightinaction.org "All in the view of the LION"

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