5D MOV to Cineform AVIs Choppy Playback at DVinfo.net

Harry Simpson · February 8th, 2011, 02:41 AM

I had a problem with this before and went to the Start Menu (VISTA) and Cineform Tools menu and set playback to fast. That seem to work a few months ago. BUT:
.....the other day I processed some AVIs and clicked on an AVI to play it - It played alright but was choppy and not smooth. I went into the Start Menu and set the playback to fast and it still was choppy. Any ideas?

Thanks
Harry

Harry Simpson · February 9th, 2011, 08:33 AM

Ok after over a day and no response from Cineform - this is a bug? Does Cineform NOT work with Vegas 10? Is it my new deodorant or just my spelling?

John Reeve · February 9th, 2011, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry Simpson

I had a problem with this before and went to the Start Menu (VISTA) and Cineform Tools menu and set playback to fast. That seem to work a few months ago. BUT:
.....the other day I processed some AVIs and clicked on an AVI to play it - It played alright but was choppy and not smooth. I went into the Start Menu and set the playback to fast and it still was choppy. Any ideas?

Thanks
Harry

Hi Harry,

Are you playing it back from within Vegas? Did you try playing the file with quicktime or windows media player with a different result?

How many frames per second are you getting when its choppy? Is this a 2D or 3D file? Maybe we can narrow down the problem to one app.

John

Harry Simpson · February 9th, 2011, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Reeve

Hi Harry,

Are you playing it back from within Vegas? Did you try playing the file with quicktime or windows media player with a different result?

How many frames per second are you getting when its choppy? Is this a 2D or 3D file? Maybe we can narrow down the problem to one app.

John

Playing the file in Windows Media Player. Just now tried to download the NeoPlay upgrade that came out this month and get the message "NeoPlayer should not be installed over commercial Cineform tools, as all the features of NeoPlayer are within NeoScene, HD, 4K and 3D product lines. If you wist to continue uninstall your Cineform tools first."

2D only. It will play about 2 seconds stop, and repeat......

Ben Hickson · February 9th, 2011, 09:35 PM

Harry, I live in Nashville as well and work with Vegas / Cineform a lot. Let me know if I can be of any assistance. I'd be happy to help you to get up to speed.

Harry Simpson · February 10th, 2011, 09:27 AM

Ben,

I'd definitely like to compare notes with you sometime!! I've been working with Cineform and Vegas for two years now though I don't sound like it. :-)

The AVI playback used to be choppy then I applied the ALL PROGRAMS - CineForm - Tools - Desktop Playback Fast and it wasn't choppy anymore.....This must be a CineForm problem becuase this is just taking a MOV raw - converting to Cineform AVI - same as original properties and trying to run that converted AVI in Windows Media Player.

It plays for a few seconds, stops and then plays again and just repeats that through the whole AVI.

Harry Simpson · February 11th, 2011, 01:04 PM

No one knows? Maybe it's my GPS coords are off.....that's it!

Ben Hickson · February 12th, 2011, 11:50 AM

First off, you're running Vista. Dump it and get 7. It's cheap at Staples. Vista is a processor hog, and decoding Cineform needs your processor.

Also, the playback-fast setting simply sets your files to decode at half resolution. You have to restart the player application for it to take effect.

Also, media player in windows 7 has some new properties that allow for better decode of video files, especially h.264.

So anyways, what you're seeing is correct. Unless you have a very fast machine, do not expect it to play back at full resolution (desktop playback - quality). Almost all machines I work on require me to set it to desktop playback - fast. It's actually the reason I love Cineform. Instant Half and quarter resolution decode, so I can play my file anytime while still retaining the full quality for rendering etc. It's not a bug.

Harry Simpson · June 16th, 2011, 12:18 PM

In another time I swear I was able to set this to fast and play the AVIs smoothly. But it seems to not work anymore. I now have to render to see it anywhere close to smoothly. This is on Windows 7 by the way now.

February 8th, 2011, 02:41 AM	#1
Harry Simpson Major Player Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Nashville, TN. Posts: 581	5D MOV to Cineform AVIs Choppy Playback I had a problem with this before and went to the Start Menu (VISTA) and Cineform Tools menu and set playback to fast. That seem to work a few months ago. BUT: .....the other day I processed some AVIs and clicked on an AVI to play it - It played alright but was choppy and not smooth. I went into the Start Menu and set the playback to fast and it still was choppy. Any ideas? Thanks Harry __________________ Nashville TN using Canon 5D MK3, Canon 550D, RODE SVM mic, 70-200 f2.8L II IS, 24-105 f4L IS, 50 and 85 f/1.8, Vegas Pro 11, Zoom H4n, Blackbird, Lilliput Monitor, Lightroom

February 9th, 2011, 08:33 AM	#2
Harry Simpson Major Player Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Nashville, TN. Posts: 581	Ok after over a day and no response from Cineform - this is a bug? Does Cineform NOT work with Vegas 10? Is it my new deodorant or just my spelling? __________________ Nashville TN using Canon 5D MK3, Canon 550D, RODE SVM mic, 70-200 f2.8L II IS, 24-105 f4L IS, 50 and 85 f/1.8, Vegas Pro 11, Zoom H4n, Blackbird, Lilliput Monitor, Lightroom

February 10th, 2011, 09:27 AM	#6
Harry Simpson Major Player Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Nashville, TN. Posts: 581	Ben, I'd definitely like to compare notes with you sometime!! I've been working with Cineform and Vegas for two years now though I don't sound like it. :-) The AVI playback used to be choppy then I applied the ALL PROGRAMS - CineForm - Tools - Desktop Playback Fast and it wasn't choppy anymore.....This must be a CineForm problem becuase this is just taking a MOV raw - converting to Cineform AVI - same as original properties and trying to run that converted AVI in Windows Media Player. It plays for a few seconds, stops and then plays again and just repeats that through the whole AVI. __________________ Nashville TN using Canon 5D MK3, Canon 550D, RODE SVM mic, 70-200 f2.8L II IS, 24-105 f4L IS, 50 and 85 f/1.8, Vegas Pro 11, Zoom H4n, Blackbird, Lilliput Monitor, Lightroom

February 11th, 2011, 01:04 PM	#7
Harry Simpson Major Player Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Nashville, TN. Posts: 581	No one knows? Maybe it's my GPS coords are off.....that's it! __________________ Nashville TN using Canon 5D MK3, Canon 550D, RODE SVM mic, 70-200 f2.8L II IS, 24-105 f4L IS, 50 and 85 f/1.8, Vegas Pro 11, Zoom H4n, Blackbird, Lilliput Monitor, Lightroom

June 16th, 2011, 12:18 PM	#9
Harry Simpson Major Player Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Nashville, TN. Posts: 581	Re: 5D MOV to Cineform AVIs Choppy Playback In another time I swear I was able to set this to fast and play the AVIs smoothly. But it seems to not work anymore. I now have to render to see it anywhere close to smoothly. This is on Windows 7 by the way now. __________________ Nashville TN using Canon 5D MK3, Canon 550D, RODE SVM mic, 70-200 f2.8L II IS, 24-105 f4L IS, 50 and 85 f/1.8, Vegas Pro 11, Zoom H4n, Blackbird, Lilliput Monitor, Lightroom

February 9th, 2011, 09:35 PM	#5
Ben Hickson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: New York, NY Posts: 55	Harry, I live in Nashville as well and work with Vegas / Cineform a lot. Let me know if I can be of any assistance. I'd be happy to help you to get up to speed.

February 12th, 2011, 11:50 AM	#8
Ben Hickson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: New York, NY Posts: 55	First off, you're running Vista. Dump it and get 7. It's cheap at Staples. Vista is a processor hog, and decoding Cineform needs your processor. Also, the playback-fast setting simply sets your files to decode at half resolution. You have to restart the player application for it to take effect. Also, media player in windows 7 has some new properties that allow for better decode of video files, especially h.264. So anyways, what you're seeing is correct. Unless you have a very fast machine, do not expect it to play back at full resolution (desktop playback - quality). Almost all machines I work on require me to set it to desktop playback - fast. It's actually the reason I love Cineform. Instant Half and quarter resolution decode, so I can play my file anytime while still retaining the full quality for rendering etc. It's not a bug.