FCP - forced to render on all effects at DVinfo.net

Justin Lovell · June 16th, 2011, 08:14 PM

Is it possible to add any effects on a cineform timeline in FCP and NOT have to render?
I added a dissolve using the pen tool / opacity and have to render everything.

Any realtime effects still possible?

thank you,

David Newman · June 16th, 2011, 08:22 PM

turn on the RT Enabler.

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Justin Lovell · June 16th, 2011, 08:36 PM

RT is enabled through the system preferences.
When I apply any effect, I get red render bars.

David Newman · June 16th, 2011, 08:53 PM

Likely means you video doesn't match you timeline settings.

Justin Lovell · June 16th, 2011, 09:11 PM

Strange. Thanks for pointing that out. I just checked my sequence settings, and I don't see any settings for Cineform listed in my Sequence presets.. any idea why? FCP ver 7.0.3. (though That shouldn't matter). How do install the presets?

Justin Molush · June 16th, 2011, 10:10 PM

Easy solution - Rip to prores instead.

I dont know if FCP has Cineform presets, Ive never seen any.

David Newman · June 16th, 2011, 10:17 PM

Preset aren't needed, simply have FCP automatically configure the sequence to match the clip you place on it. If you set it up wrong there is a solution, but that is a question for someone who actually uses a Mac.

Justin Lovell · June 16th, 2011, 10:20 PM

There are no sequence presets available in FCP that I am aware of.

I simply open FCP
Import my cineform clips
Drag 1 clip onto the timeline
It asks me if I want to convert my sequence to match the clip, I say OK.

However any effect applied require a render.

Surely there must be a solution for this... or a step I'm missing?

David Newman · June 16th, 2011, 11:59 PM

Talk to support, as that is you need to do.

Anmol Mishra · June 19th, 2011, 09:54 PM

Justin please update this thread when you get an answer.

Justin Lovell · June 19th, 2011, 10:32 PM

working on an answer..

I do know that I'm working with 2048 x 856 footage which could be part of the problem.
I have noticed that 1920x1080 can give me orange bars - with really stuttery playback.
2048x856 NEVER gives me orange render bars, and always forces me to render any transitions/effects.

David Newman · June 19th, 2011, 10:43 PM

FCP-7 doesn't support greater than HD at all well (particularly Cinema Desktop.) The RT modes are set up for standard HD resolutions only.

Craig Davidson · June 20th, 2011, 10:29 AM

The RT Enabler does not support 2048x856, only the "normal" resolutions: 1280x720, 1920x1080, 2048x1024 and 2048x1152. FCP chokes on the 2K playback, though.

June 16th, 2011, 08:14 PM	#1
Justin Lovell Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: toronto, canada Posts: 212	FCP - forced to render on all effects Is it possible to add any effects on a cineform timeline in FCP and NOT have to render? I added a dissolve using the pen tool / opacity and have to render everything. Any realtime effects still possible? thank you, __________________ Justin Lovell cinematographer//8mm.16mm>HD.transfers . www.framediscreet.com

June 16th, 2011, 08:22 PM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Re: FCP - forced to render on all effects turn on the RT Enabler. Cineform Tech Blog Blog Archive Neo3D System Requirements __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 16th, 2011, 08:36 PM	#3
Justin Lovell Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: toronto, canada Posts: 212	Re: FCP - forced to render on all effects RT is enabled through the system preferences. When I apply any effect, I get red render bars. __________________ Justin Lovell cinematographer//8mm.16mm>HD.transfers . www.framediscreet.com

June 16th, 2011, 08:53 PM	#4
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Re: FCP - forced to render on all effects Likely means you video doesn't match you timeline settings. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 16th, 2011, 09:11 PM	#5
Justin Lovell Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: toronto, canada Posts: 212	Re: FCP - forced to render on all effects Strange. Thanks for pointing that out. I just checked my sequence settings, and I don't see any settings for Cineform listed in my Sequence presets.. any idea why? FCP ver 7.0.3. (though That shouldn't matter). How do install the presets? __________________ Justin Lovell cinematographer//8mm.16mm>HD.transfers . www.framediscreet.com

June 16th, 2011, 10:10 PM	#6
Justin Molush Major Player Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Montreal Posts: 388	Re: FCP - forced to render on all effects Easy solution - Rip to prores instead. I dont know if FCP has Cineform presets, Ive never seen any.

June 16th, 2011, 10:17 PM	#7
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Re: FCP - forced to render on all effects Preset aren't needed, simply have FCP automatically configure the sequence to match the clip you place on it. If you set it up wrong there is a solution, but that is a question for someone who actually uses a Mac. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 16th, 2011, 10:20 PM	#8
Justin Lovell Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: toronto, canada Posts: 212	Re: FCP - forced to render on all effects There are no sequence presets available in FCP that I am aware of. I simply open FCP Import my cineform clips Drag 1 clip onto the timeline It asks me if I want to convert my sequence to match the clip, I say OK. However any effect applied require a render. Surely there must be a solution for this... or a step I'm missing? __________________ Justin Lovell cinematographer//8mm.16mm>HD.transfers . www.framediscreet.com

June 16th, 2011, 11:59 PM	#9
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Re: FCP - forced to render on all effects Talk to support, as that is you need to do. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 19th, 2011, 09:54 PM	#10
Anmol Mishra Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 401	Re: FCP - forced to render on all effects Justin please update this thread when you get an answer. __________________ mishra.tv Productions A Sydney-based group for dance movement-based video and film productions.

June 19th, 2011, 10:32 PM	#11
Justin Lovell Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: toronto, canada Posts: 212	Re: FCP - forced to render on all effects working on an answer.. I do know that I'm working with 2048 x 856 footage which could be part of the problem. I have noticed that 1920x1080 can give me orange bars - with really stuttery playback. 2048x856 NEVER gives me orange render bars, and always forces me to render any transitions/effects. __________________ Justin Lovell cinematographer//8mm.16mm>HD.transfers . www.framediscreet.com

June 19th, 2011, 10:43 PM	#12
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Re: FCP - forced to render on all effects FCP-7 doesn't support greater than HD at all well (particularly Cinema Desktop.) The RT modes are set up for standard HD resolutions only. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

June 20th, 2011, 10:29 AM	#13
Craig Davidson Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Solana Beach, CA Posts: 142	Re: FCP - forced to render on all effects The RT Enabler does not support 2048x856, only the "normal" resolutions: 1280x720, 1920x1080, 2048x1024 and 2048x1152. FCP chokes on the 2K playback, though.