Convinced again...Cineform is Far Better Than Native HDV... at DVinfo.net

Joel Corral · March 15th, 2006, 03:35 PM

Ok I am convinced again!!! Well after weeks of trial I have come to the conclusion that cineform’s intermediate HD codec is far superior than working in native HDV… besides the fact that cineforms codec is allows for better real time playback, it looks far better especially when down converting to SD… after working with native HDV I can clearly see the HUGE difference in quality and performance, although Premiere Pro 2.0 does do a decent job in real time playback, the actual quality of the HDV is nowhere near the quality of Cineform’s codec. After 1 encode in native HDV I can clearly see the disadvantage. Where as multiple encodes with cineform codec can’t see any quality reduction and it does an excellent job down converting… Cineform is shaper, clearer and holds together far better than Native HDV… Native HDV after one encode loses sharpness, looks blurry and color just isn’t held together… I wish there was a way to edit HDV natively but unless there are better codec’s developed this is the way to go….

Joel

Wayne Johnson · March 15th, 2006, 06:07 PM

Thanks Joel. As you know, I've come to trust your conclusions, so I won't need to shell out the $199 upgrade price for now. Thanks again, Wayne.

Steven Gotz · March 16th, 2006, 08:11 PM

There are other reasons to upgrade to Premiere Pro 2.0, but Aspect HD is still needed IMHO. Joel is correct. The quality and the speed are better with no question.

Joel Corral · March 16th, 2006, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Gotz

There are other reasons to upgrade to Premiere Pro 2.0, but Aspect HD is still needed IMHO. Joel is correct. The quality and the speed are better with no question.

Oh that’s for sure...i am in no way stating that the upgrade to ppro 2.0 is a waste, in fact i am glad i did it...

joel

Wayne Johnson · March 17th, 2006, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Joel Corral

Oh that’s for sure...i am in no way stating that the upgrade to ppro 2.0 is a waste, in fact i am glad i did it...

joel

This is probably not the place to discuss it, but what features of 2.0 are particularly valuable? I'd pay if all they did was fix the Project Manager trim function, but I have no way of knowing whether they did. [I don't have broadband, so the trial's out of the question.]

Christopher Glaeser · March 17th, 2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne Johnson

This is probably not the place to discuss it, but what features of 2.0 are particularly valuable?

Nested sequences, dynamic linking, and titles stored within the project are compelling for me. It's much easier to manage large projects.

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Originally Posted by Wayne Johnson

I don't have broadband, ...

Ouch!!!

March 15th, 2006, 03:35 PM	#1
Joel Corral Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brea, CA Posts: 356	Convinced again...Cineform is Far Better Than Native HDV... Ok I am convinced again!!! Well after weeks of trial I have come to the conclusion that cineform’s intermediate HD codec is far superior than working in native HDV… besides the fact that cineforms codec is allows for better real time playback, it looks far better especially when down converting to SD… after working with native HDV I can clearly see the HUGE difference in quality and performance, although Premiere Pro 2.0 does do a decent job in real time playback, the actual quality of the HDV is nowhere near the quality of Cineform’s codec. After 1 encode in native HDV I can clearly see the disadvantage. Where as multiple encodes with cineform codec can’t see any quality reduction and it does an excellent job down converting… Cineform is shaper, clearer and holds together far better than Native HDV… Native HDV after one encode loses sharpness, looks blurry and color just isn’t held together… I wish there was a way to edit HDV natively but unless there are better codec’s developed this is the way to go…. Joel

March 16th, 2006, 08:11 PM	#3
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	There are other reasons to upgrade to Premiere Pro 2.0, but Aspect HD is still needed IMHO. Joel is correct. The quality and the speed are better with no question. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

March 15th, 2006, 06:07 PM	#2
Wayne Johnson Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Becker, MN USA Posts: 60	Thanks Joel. As you know, I've come to trust your conclusions, so I won't need to shell out the $199 upgrade price for now. Thanks again, Wayne.