Fantasy Project and Cineform at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Cross-Platform Post Production Solutions > CineForm Software Showcase

CineForm Software Showcase
Cross platform digital intermediates for independent filmmakers.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old September 9th, 2006, 10:44 PM   #1
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 25
Fantasy Project and Cineform

I've a got a feature length movie that I am directin and editing. I've decided to use Cineform's Prospect HD 2K solution. Due to the fantasy element to the project I've ruled out a tape based solution. Now I've looked over Silicon Imaging camera and kept up to date on the indie spoon blog. Along with the SI camera I'm lookiing at the Red camera and the Canon XL-H1 with Wafian recorder. Which of these camera and workflows who give the best quality picture?
__________________
David Kirlew
David Kirlew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 9th, 2006, 11:23 PM   #2
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Springfield, MO, USA
Posts: 389
The only one that I know for sure that is out is the Canon...

I think Silicon is going to be sold about now...]

The Red when it arrives sounds like it will be the best... but you're looking at least 6 months to a year before its out... because I don't know how far down the line you'd be on the order list...
Gary McClurg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 10th, 2006, 12:33 AM   #3
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 25
I've got at least another 6-8months before we start shooting sometime probably next spring or summer. So any of those cameras the SI or red could be out. Could someone who has done tests tell how the SI camera compares to higher end camera like the Sony F900/950, VariCam, or Viper?
__________________
David Kirlew
David Kirlew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 10th, 2006, 08:18 AM   #4
Major Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Fort Dodge, IA
Posts: 221
David,

You can be surprised about what you can get out of the JVC HD100, with Paolo's settings. Way more economic, true 24 fps, and can go uncompressed (bypassing the tape) via component output. Just search for examples throughout this community.

Luis
Luis Otero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 13th, 2006, 08:26 AM   #5
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 25
Thanks for the replies. I will consider my options and make a final decision to shooting and availability of the cameras.
__________________
David Kirlew
David Kirlew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 14th, 2006, 01:21 PM   #6
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Centreville Va
Posts: 1,828
[QUOTE=Gary McClurg]
I think Silicon is going to be sold about now...]


The company or the camera?
__________________
Boycott Guinness, bring back the pint!!!
Joe Carney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 25th, 2006, 08:33 AM   #7
New Boot
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 11
Tested A few solutions

Hi David,

I've been in your shoes. Want the best quality on a shoestring, that is actually ready to shoot when you shoot. If you want to sail right on the edge you're gonna have some hiccups. The latest stuff is always more tricky but gives you other advantages. Pick something that's already worked elswhere and you will have an easier time but might miss out on the very latest advantages. It comes down to your core competancies and what is impportant to you. We changed mid stream with less than 2 months to our shoot. I only got the physical cameras days before our 1st of 62 shoot days. For spoon we tested HD750, the HD100 attached to a wafian with lens adapter anf then finally the SI 1920. I have also shot 35mm on some prior scenes and we have shot with the sony 900 aswell on other projects. If I were going again - no question SI1920. If there was actually a Red ready to go It sounds great but it's not yet a viable working solution. WIll it be in 6-months when you shoot? Only red know that. The 2 options worth debating are Sony versus SI as Both are ready to go.

Sony - tape 8bit established, ready to use, 5 year + track record, digi prime lenses etc

SI - disk 10bit ,limited track record, brnad new tech, film lenses, many modes including slo mo modes

In My mind the most important things are the Lens, sensor size, compression and the bit depth. So which option best achieves these?

SI film lens ----------- Sony Digi prime
SI sensor 2/3 inch----- Sony 2/3 inch
Cineform Raw Wavelet-- Sony DCT
SI 8 bit---------------- Sony 8 bit

If you are a safe player go Sony. If you want a better picture with more options go SI. If you can work with an SI you will be more competitive that's a fact. But if you are nervous of new processes and endless adaptive thinking go Sony. Best of Luck.

Simon
Simon Hansen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 25th, 2006, 10:19 AM   #8
CTO, CineForm Inc.
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California
Posts: 8,090
Cool post Simon,

Last line should be "SI 10 bit---------------- Sony 8 bit"
__________________
David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com
blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman
David Newman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 25th, 2006, 09:09 PM   #9
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 25
right now I'm currently helping a friend of mine work on the script which should be done sometime spring of next year so at the earliest we would start is summer of next year. I'm still evaluating all my possible options from the JVC Wafian solution, to Red, SI, as well as the Sony F900 series and Varicam possiblities. We definately will use the CineForm Prospect HD solution because there will be a bit of blue/greenscreen work and compositing. As I continue I will keep you guys informed as far as what we want to do. Because the SI camera is available right now I'm leaning towards that solution. I am keeping a close eye on Red and how its development's is coming along
__________________
David Kirlew
David Kirlew is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Cross-Platform Post Production Solutions > CineForm Software Showcase

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:14 PM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network