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Old October 23rd, 2009, 09:28 AM   #46
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...Hi Dan: If I understood your earlier posts correctly, I would need a camera capable of 60P for any overcrank.
I was just suggesting that one can create some wonderful slow-motion footage in post.

Over and under-cranking will be a part of the Flash XDR and the nanoFlash.

From a policy point of view, features will be added to both units equally, unless there is a technical reason why we can't. Thus they both benefit from our development.

In fact, we use the same code base for both products.
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 03:43 PM   #47
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Mark, I get the feeling that the problem with "line doubling" to take 60i material and make it 60P in the XDR would be that it takes time to do it, and there is no way the processor could do 60 nicely inteprolated lines every second - I don't know what the rendering time would be in Twixtor etc. but I doubt that it's realtime.
Aaron, I'm sure there can be good reults made from Twixtor and other de-interlacers, but there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that it won't be anywhere near as good as proper slow motion (ie 60P).
At present you can do great slomo with the Nano and XDR by shooting 60P and conforming it in Cinema Tools, but when proper overcrank is available I think a lot of people will be very happy.
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 09:55 PM   #48
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Hi Steve:
Yes. I think you are probably right about the line doubling method performed in hardware via XDR. Can you recommend a good camera which can do a proper p60 @ 1920 x 1080 full rater HD ?
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 10:23 PM   #49
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I think that RED does 1080p50/60.
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 10:25 PM   #50
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Red Camera 1080 @ 60p

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At this point the red is out of my price range. Maybe to rent on one day ?
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 10:26 PM   #51
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You would be doing your RED camera a disservice if you recorded the non-REDCODE data anyway. Yes it does high frame rates, but it also has a recorder to record the high frame rates. You might use the the CD box for proxies (which really aren't necessary though).
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Old October 24th, 2009, 03:48 AM   #52
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I think that RED does 1080p50/60.
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It theoretically does 1080P/120, but only in 2k mode where after de-bayering the resolution and image quality are likely to be a bit suspect. Haven't seen it for myself though.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 04:52 AM   #53
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Hi Rafael:
At this point the red is out of my price range. Maybe to rent on one day ?
Hi Mark,
Standard cameras won't offer 1080p60 because is not any standard.
Capture and play would be a problem too.
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After writing this I saw the the KONA 3 can record 1080p60.

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Old October 24th, 2009, 08:08 AM   #54
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Mark I can save you the time with renting the Red. I owned a Red this past spring just for the 2K 120fps and was very disappointed. At 2K the camera is only using 1/2 of the sensor and the picture quality was not up to the EX1 and the XDR that I owned at the same time. I sold the Red very unhappy in the product.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 09:18 AM   #55
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Not Good Red

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Wow ! I'm really surprised to read this sort of feedback about a RED product ! To state a 2K camera didn't look as good as the XDR with a Sony EX-1 is also interesting. Do you think your RED camera was busted ?
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Old October 24th, 2009, 10:21 AM   #56
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No there was nothing wrong with the Red camera. At full 35mm it was very nice but that was not why I purchased the camera. 1/2 of one CMOS sensor in the Red at 2k is not up to EX with XDR or Nano from the two weeks of test I did in my studio and outside.

Believe me I was not happy taking the loss I took when I sold the camera. I was warned by knowledgeable people on this site and the Red site, but I had to learn for myself. Well lesson learned and you should rent a Red you might find out different then me but I would be surprised.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 11:20 AM   #57
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Which RED is Better off Dead ?

Hi Paul:
Which model of Red camera are we talking about here ?
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Old October 24th, 2009, 11:39 AM   #58
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There is only 1 RED at present, the RED One. The others are very much in dreamspace still!
I have heard the same thing about 2k from the RED. Apparently 3k looks OK though, going up to 60fps or so.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 12:35 PM   #59
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RED Vaporware ?

Hi Steve:
I went to the RED website and they show all these different kind of camera kits - heads-packs. Are you saying this stuff actually isn't available yet ?
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Old October 24th, 2009, 01:41 PM   #60
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Yep! The pictures look amazing don't they? But that's all they are.
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