Canon 1Ds Mark IV has 1080p live output at DVinfo.net

Ed David · October 26th, 2009, 03:24 PM

I think that's what I read on a post elsewhere on the web. Don't know if I read this right but if this is the case, CD, what do you say - can you free the footage from the large lovely sensor from its h.264 demise?

Dan Keaton · October 26th, 2009, 03:47 PM

Dear Ed,

The HDMI output of the Canon 1D Mark IV is intended for viewing, not recording.

Chris Hurd · October 26th, 2009, 03:51 PM

The HDMI output on the 1D Mk. IV is identical to that of the 7D.

Aaron Newsome · October 26th, 2009, 04:09 PM

The first full frame DSLR to do full raster HD, live over HDMI will be a game changer.

Mark Job · October 26th, 2009, 04:32 PM

Hi Aaron:

The magic lantern guy has an impressive firmware hack for the Canon 5D Mark II which allows full Raster HD output via the HDMI output, so there you go all you Nano users.

Bob Willis · October 26th, 2009, 04:33 PM

Ahhh, there's that phrase again. (game changer)

Seems to go hand and hand with all the new, different (?) DSLR's out there that happen to have a video mode.

Dan Keaton · October 26th, 2009, 04:45 PM

Dear Bob,

We have learned that the nanoFlash will record the output of the Canon 7D, but this does not mean that this is a great idea.

We would just love for these cameras to have a nice, full-frame, full resolution, high quality HDMI output so the nanoFlash could record the signal and everyone would be happy, especially us!

We love the magic that Trammell Hudson is doing. And we are encouraged by the news that we received yesterday that the nanoFlash will record the HDMI output of the Canon 7D.

But, all of this is tempered by the fact that the HDMI output was never designed for recording.

Since the Canon 7D and 5D Mark II are widely used, I would love for some of the users of these cameras to hook up to a quality HDMI monitor and evaluate the image critically.

We may be able to do our part, if others feel that the image quality meets their standards.

Chris Barcellos · October 26th, 2009, 05:03 PM

My experience with with 5D, but I think it is close to 7D, with one exception. I think the 7D may keep the output at HD level ( the same as was being viewed before the recording starts. The 5D switches to 480i when recording starts. Magic Lantern is attempting to keep it in HD.

The HD output itself is approximately 4:3 PAR at 1080 tall. That should put the width around 1440. From that, I calculate the actual image in the 16 x 9 box at 810 x 1440- a far cry from 1080 x 1920.

Play back produces full screen 16 x9 1920 x1080. So if Tramm at Magic Lantern could get the camera fooled into think the live shot was file output, maybe it would work.

Aaron Newsome · October 26th, 2009, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Job

Hi Aaron:

The magic lantern guy has an impressive firmware hack for the Canon 5D Mark II which allows full Raster HD output via the HDMI output, so there you go all you Nano users.

My understanding of the magic lantern hack is that the HDMI output is not a full raster 1920x1080 signal.

And yes, I'm sticking with my "game changer" status. Heck, I'd say that these DSLR with video modes are ALREADY game changers with the crippled features they have today. Also, consider I'm talking about putting capabilities in young filmmaker's hands that were not possible a few years ago. I'm not talking about professional acquisition.

Rafael Amador · October 26th, 2009, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron Newsome

The first full frame DSLR to do full raster HD, live over HDMI will be a game changer.

I think that is a matter of licenses, royalties and so.
Those cameras can output whatever you want, but if they output or record any kind of standard video they will be fiscally treated as video cameras.
rafael

October 26th, 2009, 03:24 PM	#1
Ed David Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 119	Canon 1Ds Mark IV has 1080p live output I think that's what I read on a post elsewhere on the web. Don't know if I read this right but if this is the case, CD, what do you say - can you free the footage from the large lovely sensor from its h.264 demise?

October 26th, 2009, 03:47 PM	#2
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Ed, The HDMI output of the Canon 1D Mark IV is intended for viewing, not recording. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

October 26th, 2009, 03:51 PM	#3
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	The HDMI output on the 1D Mk. IV is identical to that of the 7D. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 26th, 2009, 04:32 PM	#5
Mark Job Trustee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,138	The Magic Lantern Firmware Hack = Game Changer Hi Aaron: The magic lantern guy has an impressive firmware hack for the Canon 5D Mark II which allows full Raster HD output via the HDMI output, so there you go all you Nano users.

October 26th, 2009, 04:45 PM	#7
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Bob, We have learned that the nanoFlash will record the output of the Canon 7D, but this does not mean that this is a great idea. We would just love for these cameras to have a nice, full-frame, full resolution, high quality HDMI output so the nanoFlash could record the signal and everyone would be happy, especially us! We love the magic that Trammell Hudson is doing. And we are encouraged by the news that we received yesterday that the nanoFlash will record the HDMI output of the Canon 7D. But, all of this is tempered by the fact that the HDMI output was never designed for recording. Since the Canon 7D and 5D Mark II are widely used, I would love for some of the users of these cameras to hook up to a quality HDMI monitor and evaluate the image critically. We may be able to do our part, if others feel that the image quality meets their standards. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

October 26th, 2009, 04:09 PM	#4
Aaron Newsome Major Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 590	The first full frame DSLR to do full raster HD, live over HDMI will be a game changer.

October 26th, 2009, 04:33 PM	#6
Bob Willis Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 292	Ahhh, there's that phrase again. (game changer) Seems to go hand and hand with all the new, different (?) DSLR's out there that happen to have a video mode.

October 26th, 2009, 05:03 PM	#8
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	My experience with with 5D, but I think it is close to 7D, with one exception. I think the 7D may keep the output at HD level ( the same as was being viewed before the recording starts. The 5D switches to 480i when recording starts. Magic Lantern is attempting to keep it in HD. The HD output itself is approximately 4:3 PAR at 1080 tall. That should put the width around 1440. From that, I calculate the actual image in the 16 x 9 box at 810 x 1440- a far cry from 1080 x 1920. Play back produces full screen 16 x9 1920 x1080. So if Tramm at Magic Lantern could get the camera fooled into think the live shot was file output, maybe it would work. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos