Camera recording to SD will Nanoflash record HD? at DVinfo.net

Anthony McErlean · November 29th, 2012, 11:18 AM

I have to record an event in SD with my PMW-320. What I'm wondering is, if the camera records in SD mode to SXS Cards will my NanoFlash record to CF cards in HD mode via the SDI cable?

Thanks in advance.

Seth Bloombaum · November 29th, 2012, 01:14 PM

That's really a question about the camera - when you're recording in SD, what signal is present at the SDI output? Sorry, I don't know the answer about the PMW320, different cameras do this differently, but whatever is there is what the Nanoflash can record.

Jack Zhang · November 29th, 2012, 02:23 PM

The outputs are limited to SD in SD mode. A solution if you want to future proof the raw footage in HD could be to use a MRC1K to record SD from the i.link output of the camera to CF cards (should you choose DVCAM in the i.link output select) and record HD in camera to SxS.

Rohan Dadswell · November 29th, 2012, 05:51 PM

Use the NanoFlash to record the SD stream from your SDI and record DH in camera on SxS - at least that's what I do with my Sony PMW-350, I'm assuming that they are basically the same.

Anthony McErlean · November 30th, 2012, 03:11 AM

Thanks everyone.

Anthony McErlean · October 30th, 2013, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohan Dadswell

Use the NanoFlash to record the SD stream from your SDI and record DH in camera on SxS - at least that's what I do with my Sony PMW-350, I'm assuming that they are basically the same.

Could someone tell me please how to set the NF to record in SD.
I would like my camera to record HD to SxS cards but need to send an SD output to a video sender.
I'm hoping that by changing the NF to SD that this might work....will it :)

Thanks in advance.

Anthony McErlean · November 5th, 2013, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony McErlean

Could someone tell me please how to set the NF to record in SD.
I would like my camera to record HD to SxS cards but need to send an SD output to a video sender.
I'm hoping that by changing the NF to SD that this might work....will it :)

Thanks in advance.

Question for Dan, when he gets the chance.

Charles Papert · November 5th, 2013, 05:26 AM

The Nanoflash records HD-SDI and SD-SDI, which are digital signals. Most cameras will output HD-SDI in HD mode and downconvert to analog composite (also known as CVBS), which the Nanoflash will not record.

Dan Keaton · November 5th, 2013, 10:26 AM

Dear Friends,

The nanoFlash will record SD, when the camera outputs SDI (SD-SDI).

The nanoFlash automatically detects that it is SD, either PAL or NTSC and then records appropriately.

You will see PAL or NTSC on the Frame Rate Display, the highlighted line at the bottom of the nanoFlash.

You do not have to make any menu selections, the nanoFlash will automatically detect that the incoming signal is SD, but, you can set the SD Bit Rate in the video menu.

30, 40 and 50 are IMX 30, 40 and 50, respectively.

Respectfully,

Anthony McErlean · November 6th, 2013, 08:23 AM

Thank you Charles and Dan.

I wanted my camera to record in HD and thought if the NF could record/output to SD,
This would be just what I needed, the best of both worlds, but for some reason it didn't work for me but not to worry now.

I had a video sender connected to the NF and it needed an SD signal in order for it to display to a big screen, hence NF set to SD

Dan, I did notice the NF display showing Pal so I assumed it was recording in SD.

Don't know what I did or did not do but it didn't work for me.

Thank again for your help.

Dan Keaton · November 6th, 2013, 08:31 AM

Dear Anthony,

We provide support 24/7, so you can call us whenever a problem arises or before.

If the nanoFlash was showing PAL, then, when if it is recording, it will be recording PAL.

How were you triggering the nanoFlash?

If you were triggering via timecode, then this may have been the problem, if the nanoFlash did not go into record.

In HD, timecode is a standard feature of HD-SDI.

In SD, many cameras do not output timecode over SDI.

Could you elaborate on what did not work for you?

1. Did the nanoFlash not go into record mode automatically?

2. Did the nanoFlash not output SD over the HD/SD SDI output?

3. Did the nanoFlash not output SD over HDMI? (The nanoFlash does not output SD over HDMI)

Anthony McErlean · November 7th, 2013, 03:28 AM

Hello Dan,

I have my NF set to record/stop at the same time I press the record button on my camera.

What I meant was that the video sender did not output a signal to the big screen even though it was connect, as I thought to do so, via the NF in SD mode.

Question 2, yes, that is correct.

I had another PMW-320 on stand by to connect the same video sender to, if it didn't work for me via the NF.
The 2nd camera was set to SD. I took a video out from the camera to the video sender then video out from the receiver to the big screen, this worked for me.

Question 2 again, perhaps it wouldn't have work for me in the first place. My camera is a PMW-320 BTW

Thanks in advance Dan.

Dan Keaton · November 7th, 2013, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony McErlean

Hello Dan,

I have my NF set to record/stop at the same time I press the record button on my camera.

That would mean that you were triggering on incrementing timecode.

This will work, if the camera outputs timecode when in HD-SDI or SD-SDI mode.

Since you were in SD, timecode may or may not have been coming over the SD-SDI signal.

Quote:

What I meant was that the video sender did not output a signal to the big screen even though it was connect, as I thought to do so, via the NF in SD mode.

Do you mean via SD-SDI or HDMI? I assume that it was SD-SDI since you answered Yes to Question 2.

Did you have Video|E to E Direct on?

SD over HDMI is not supported in the nanoFlash, but it may have worked if E to E Direct was on, and it was a frame rate and mode supported by the projector.

SD over SD-SDI should have worked, if E to E Direct was on, and may have worked if E to E Direct was off, depending on the frame rate/mode and other settings, [/quote]

Quote:

Question 2, yes, that is correct.

I had another PMW-320 on stand by to connect the same video sender to, if it didn't work for me via the NF.
The 2nd camera was set to SD. I took a video out from the camera to the video sender then video out from the receiver to the big screen, this worked for me.

Question 2 again, perhaps it wouldn't have work for me in the first place. My camera is a PMW-320 BTW

Thanks in advance Dan.

John Mitchell · November 8th, 2013, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony McErlean

Hello Dan,

I have my NF set to record/stop at the same time I press the record button on my camera.

What I meant was that the video sender did not output a signal to the big screen even though it was connect, as I thought to do so, via the NF in SD mode.

Question 2, yes, that is correct.

I had another PMW-320 on stand by to connect the same video sender to, if it didn't work for me via the NF.
The 2nd camera was set to SD. I took a video out from the camera to the video sender then video out from the receiver to the big screen, this worked for me.

Question 2 again, perhaps it wouldn't have work for me in the first place. My camera is a PMW-320 BTW

Thanks in advance Dan.

Anthony - you have to set this up in camera. Set your camera to record in HD then set the SDI output to downconvert to SD (usually squeeze for 16x9) - the nano should then recognise the SD signal automatically.

Anthony McErlean · November 14th, 2013, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Mitchell

Anthony - you have to set this up in camera. Set your camera to record in HD then set the SDI output to downconvert to SD (usually squeeze for 16x9) - the nano should then recognise the SD signal automatically.

Hello John and thanks.
OK, I will have a look at the SDI output setting in my PMW-320.

Thanks.

November 29th, 2012, 11:18 AM	#1
Anthony McErlean Trustee Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,076	Camera recording to SD will Nanoflash record HD? I have to record an event in SD with my PMW-320. What I'm wondering is, if the camera records in SD mode to SXS Cards will my NanoFlash record to CF cards in HD mode via the SDI cable? Thanks in advance.

November 29th, 2012, 01:14 PM	#2
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Re: Camera recording to SD will Nanoflash record HD? That's really a question about the camera - when you're recording in SD, what signal is present at the SDI output? Sorry, I don't know the answer about the PMW320, different cameras do this differently, but whatever is there is what the Nanoflash can record. __________________ 30 years of pro media production. Vegas user since 1.0. Webcaster since 1997. Freelancer since 2000. College instructor since 2001.

November 29th, 2012, 02:23 PM	#3
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: Camera recording to SD will Nanoflash record HD? The outputs are limited to SD in SD mode. A solution if you want to future proof the raw footage in HD could be to use a MRC1K to record SD from the i.link output of the camera to CF cards (should you choose DVCAM in the i.link output select) and record HD in camera to SxS.

November 29th, 2012, 05:51 PM	#4
Rohan Dadswell Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canberra Australia Posts: 228	Re: Camera recording to SD will Nanoflash record HD? Use the NanoFlash to record the SD stream from your SDI and record DH in camera on SxS - at least that's what I do with my Sony PMW-350, I'm assuming that they are basically the same. __________________ Lighting Cameraman - www.rotahead.com.au Sony PMW-350, FS7, JVC LS300, BMPCC, BMPC, GH5 & a shed full of lights,dollies, jibs

November 30th, 2012, 03:11 AM	#5
Anthony McErlean Trustee Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,076	Re: Camera recording to SD will Nanoflash record HD? Thanks everyone.

November 5th, 2013, 05:26 AM	#8
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Re: Camera recording to SD will Nanoflash record HD? The Nanoflash records HD-SDI and SD-SDI, which are digital signals. Most cameras will output HD-SDI in HD mode and downconvert to analog composite (also known as CVBS), which the Nanoflash will not record. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

November 5th, 2013, 10:26 AM	#9
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Re: Camera recording to SD will Nanoflash record HD? Dear Friends, The nanoFlash will record SD, when the camera outputs SDI (SD-SDI). The nanoFlash automatically detects that it is SD, either PAL or NTSC and then records appropriately. You will see PAL or NTSC on the Frame Rate Display, the highlighted line at the bottom of the nanoFlash. You do not have to make any menu selections, the nanoFlash will automatically detect that the incoming signal is SD, but, you can set the SD Bit Rate in the video menu. 30, 40 and 50 are IMX 30, 40 and 50, respectively. Respectfully, __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

November 6th, 2013, 08:23 AM	#10
Anthony McErlean Trustee Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,076	Re: Camera recording to SD will Nanoflash record HD? Thank you Charles and Dan. I wanted my camera to record in HD and thought if the NF could record/output to SD, This would be just what I needed, the best of both worlds, but for some reason it didn't work for me but not to worry now. I had a video sender connected to the NF and it needed an SD signal in order for it to display to a big screen, hence NF set to SD Dan, I did notice the NF display showing Pal so I assumed it was recording in SD. Don't know what I did or did not do but it didn't work for me. Thank again for your help.

November 6th, 2013, 08:31 AM	#11
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Re: Camera recording to SD will Nanoflash record HD? Dear Anthony, We provide support 24/7, so you can call us whenever a problem arises or before. If the nanoFlash was showing PAL, then, when if it is recording, it will be recording PAL. How were you triggering the nanoFlash? If you were triggering via timecode, then this may have been the problem, if the nanoFlash did not go into record. In HD, timecode is a standard feature of HD-SDI. In SD, many cameras do not output timecode over SDI. Could you elaborate on what did not work for you? 1. Did the nanoFlash not go into record mode automatically? 2. Did the nanoFlash not output SD over the HD/SD SDI output? 3. Did the nanoFlash not output SD over HDMI? (The nanoFlash does not output SD over HDMI) __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

November 7th, 2013, 03:28 AM	#12
Anthony McErlean Trustee Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 1,076	Re: Camera recording to SD will Nanoflash record HD? Hello Dan, I have my NF set to record/stop at the same time I press the record button on my camera. What I meant was that the video sender did not output a signal to the big screen even though it was connect, as I thought to do so, via the NF in SD mode. Question 2, yes, that is correct. I had another PMW-320 on stand by to connect the same video sender to, if it didn't work for me via the NF. The 2nd camera was set to SD. I took a video out from the camera to the video sender then video out from the receiver to the big screen, this worked for me. Question 2 again, perhaps it wouldn't have work for me in the first place. My camera is a PMW-320 BTW Thanks in advance Dan.