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Old January 7th, 2008, 05:42 AM   #1
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New Samsung 1080p Camcorder -Up to 300fps

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/06/s...sh-camcorders/

Full HD SC-HMX20C:

Captures video in progressive Full HD 1080p, selectable for 30fps or 60fps

HDMI-CEC (Anynet+), camcorder control using a Samsung HDTV remote
8GB of internal flash memory; SDHC / MMC+ expansion slot1
1/8-inch 6.4-megapixel CMOS sensor
10x optical zoom

300fps slow-motion recording mode for up to 10 seconds
4-megapixel still image capture
2.7-inch wide LCD touchscreen display
iCheck button for easy access to memory / battery levels
USB 2.0 and PictBridge connections
Component, S-Video and composite outputs
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Old January 7th, 2008, 06:30 AM   #2
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Would make for a great crashcam!
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Old January 7th, 2008, 06:45 AM   #3
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I believe although it records progressive it outputs interlaced which is sad if true- let's hope it does indeed output 1080 progressive.
The 1/8" chip is scary small- wonder what low light recording is going to be like.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 09:00 AM   #4
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I agree, 1/8 is too small. Plus a rolling shutter is still a possibility.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 12:36 PM   #5
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If the 300fps is better quality than sony's I may pick one up.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 06:06 AM   #6
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I belive it have a IMX017CQE, because follow key features
6.4M Pixel,
Supports 60 frame/s at full res,
supports 300 frame/s
Diagonal 9.10 mm (Type 1/1.8)

http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/c.../imx017cqe.pdf

1/8" is too small!
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Old January 8th, 2008, 09:27 AM   #7
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I think the 1/8 inch sensor was a typo somewhere down the line.

If you look at the lens here:
http://www.engadget.com/photos/hands...corder/559822/

you will see it is labelled 6.3 - 63mm focal length. At 1/8 inch that would be a 136 - 1360 mm focal length equivalent in 35 mm photography - giving Samsung the award for the funniest lens on a camcorder ever.

If you read the sensor specs as: 1/1.8 inch, you get 31 - 310 mm focal length which is rather nice (and makes a lot more sense).

My suspicion is that the three high speed camcorders that are being released all use the same sony sensor, which was announced about a year ago (http://www.dpreview.com/news/0702/07...hspeedcmos.asp) which is the same one Robert is referring to I think.

So has Samsung the best concept of implementation? Maybe.

I am excited.

Last edited by Thomas Richter; January 8th, 2008 at 09:45 AM. Reason: added reference to Robert's earlier post of the 1.8 sensor.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 09:31 AM   #8
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That's a huge typo error on Samsungs part if true- which it seems it is!!!!
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Old January 8th, 2008, 09:41 AM   #9
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Ha ha, just realised that Sony HDR-SR12 is only using a 1/3rd inch version of the sensor for their new lineup. So the Casio EXILIM Pro EX-F1 is the only cam that definitely uses the 1/1.8 inch chip.

There are two possibilities for the Samsung: It may be 1/1.8 inch sensor which makes it a dream cam with a great wideangle ...

or it may be 1/3 inch sensor like the Sony cam, which gives it a dull 45.5 - 455 zoom range (35mm equivalent).

Now it is easier to mistype 1/1.8 as 1/8 rather than confusing 8 and 3. That's my hope at least.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 09:44 AM   #10
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That's a huge typo error on Samsungs part if true- which it seems it is!!!!
The typo is probably Engadget's, not Samsung's.

The bit I'm choking on is "captures video in progressive Full HD 1080p, selectable for 30fps or 60fps." Does this really mean it can capture a 1080p image at 60fps? I flat don't believe it. The data rate would have to spew bits like a firehose.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 01:51 PM   #11
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I hope it's not like the casio cam because that one shoots 60fps for 1 second for a total of 60 frames.
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Old January 12th, 2008, 06:09 PM   #12
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Does it have a global shutter, or rolling?
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Old February 24th, 2008, 02:36 AM   #13
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The typo is probably Engadget's, not Samsung's.

The bit I'm choking on is "captures video in progressive Full HD 1080p, selectable for 30fps or 60fps." Does this really mean it can capture a 1080p image at 60fps? I flat don't believe it. The data rate would have to spew bits like a firehose.
Easy enough with a higher level of compression at the same 25 MBps data rate. Or if it's to flash or hard drive, there's little reason not to expect 100 BMbps.
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Old February 24th, 2008, 03:56 AM   #14
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1/8th is super small, but 1/6th happens, so it could be possible.

As deep and uncontrollable the DOF and poor the S/N ratio would be at the size, it *would* make sense for the 300FPS spec. Smaller chip = higher possible frame rates.

I have a feeling it might not be a typo!

But i'm hoping it's a 1/4 chip though, at low end.

Is there any other way to confirm?
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Old February 24th, 2008, 04:00 AM   #15
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Or, it might just scale down and use a smaller area of the sensor of a 1/4 or 1/6" chip size for the 300FPS function - it might just use 1/8" area size of the sensor.

Neat cam though! Nice simple styling, Samung = neo Sony (that's their plan)!
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