it's really over! HD-DVD sayonara!

Matt Davis · February 21st, 2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian Slessor

There might be a little bit of F.U.D. going there re: the licencing fees.

And it also may be similar to the situation with putting a 'DVD Video' logo on your packaging. In order to do so, there are physical and financial hoops to jump through. Many smaller corporate producers ignore this detail and just whack a logo on there, and I guess quite a lot of Sell-thru video productions might do the same when they're not on the shelves of K-Mart.

But if caught, you're caught.

I'd prefer it if Sony would do what the MPEG folks do, just state that for titles of less than 10,000 units, or produced on BR recordables, licensing and DRM does not apply. Then we know where we stand.

Pedanes Bol · February 21st, 2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig Seeman

As somebody who does production/postproduction I've been thinking how to demo my work with my Samsung 46" 1080P monitor.

Given I can burn HD DVD to DVD-R with Apple DVDStudioPro, I might be able to pick up a Toshiba HD DVD player for VERY CHEAP and use it for just such purpose. Very cheap = $50 or less.

Realistically who's going to be running down to BestBuy to buy one now. They're going to have to dump them.

Toshiba HD DVD Player is now $79.99 at Costco. Free HDMI cable and two HD DVD movies are included in the box.

P.

Philip Williams · February 21st, 2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian Slessor

There might be a little bit of F.U.D. going there re: the licencing fees.

Its not a problem for someone burning discs at home. But it has been confirmed by independent studios that they must cough up the $2,500 AACS base fee plus the per disc fees when volume publishing their releases. I think R&B Studio's "Chronos" and "Nature's Journey" comes to mind, where the HD DVDs were printed without AACS to save money but AACS was included on the BDs due to being mandatory.

I suspect it just got a bit more difficult to compete with Hollywood as a small independent publisher. I also suspect the Hollywood folks are perfectly happy with that ;)

Dana Salsbury · February 21st, 2008, 09:03 PM

Maybe my conspiracy theory isn't too far off. I just wonder what the climate will be like in 20 years.

Marco Wagner · February 21st, 2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dana Salsbury

Maybe my conspiracy theory isn't too far off. I just wonder what the climate will be like in 20 years.

*looks into silicon ball

It'll be the same -chaotic, still unpredictable, and look a lot like decades past

Jon Fairhurst · February 24th, 2008, 04:17 PM

Looking back, I stuck with VHS too long. Too many of my movies are on tape. The money I saved by buying a player late is now long forgotten, but my collection lives on.

I now plan to buy a BD player sooner, rather than later. Sure, DVDs aren't as bulky and noisy as VHS tape, but as screen sizes grow, BD quality will become more and more apparent. My only misgiving is that BDs are currently overpriced vs. DVDs.

So, did you already transition to BD? Will you transition soon? Will you wait? Do you not plan to get a BD player at all?

Dana Salsbury · February 24th, 2008, 11:32 PM

First bride request pushes me over.

Tim Polster · February 25th, 2008, 09:13 AM

It really depends upon the type of work you do.

Some clients are happy you show up at all!

Others have the means to afford whatever you suggest.

I am stumped right now and might start with the 20 min HD on DVD-5 for now for some of my work, when I upgrade a camera.

Dana Salsbury · March 1st, 2008, 08:56 PM

I don't think anyone would accept HD DVD anymore.

George Sickler · March 2nd, 2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dana Salsbury

I don't think anyone would accept HD DVD anymore.

Can you burn BD on a DVD-5 and it play for 20 minutes?

Matt Davis · March 2nd, 2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by George Sickler

Can you burn BD on a DVD-5 and it play for 20 minutes?

I know where you're coming from, but can I kind of spin this a bit:

VHS won over Betamax, but the Betamax format returned as Betacam.

Blu-ray won over HD-DVD, but perhaps HD-DVD returns as the industry standard for corporate/industrial HD, which then becomes as ingrained as Beta SP/DigiBeta for the next decade.

Frankly, I don't think that will happen as Hard Disk/H.264 networked solutions will win over BR disks.

But I don't see BR as a Corporate Video medium either.

Jerome Cloninger · March 2nd, 2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by George Sickler

Can you burn BD on a DVD-5 and it play for 20 minutes?

No... you can burn at least 27 minutes of h.264 @ 17Mbps BD onto DVD-5. I did manage to get 30 minutes on one the other day.

http://dvinfo.net/conf/showpost.php?...2&postcount=11

Bill Koehler · March 30th, 2008, 05:31 PM

Best Buy Pulls Remaining HD DVD Stock Off Shelves

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11279

The last remnants are washing out to sea folks....

Giroud Francois · March 31st, 2008, 02:47 PM

currently you can buy a 8 gig USB key for less than $50.
small, light, fast , reusable....
few DVD player have the usb socket, but the day they all have, this will be the end of the disc (red or blue)

Harrison Murchison · March 31st, 2008, 02:57 PM

I'm still trolling craigslist looking for deals.

Last night I picked up 8 HD DVD movies for $70. Half of which I had not seen. Today things are different. Just because a format dies doesn't mean you are going to see all use for the hardware/software cease.

Frankly I had my doubts that either format was going to see anything more than a fraction of the popularity of DVD. Consumers are tired of optical discs that their kids scratch up or discs that get flaky in some players.

Digital downloads will be the next big thing for many. Me ..I don't care as long as my price/performance ideals are met.

February 21st, 2008, 09:03 PM	#94
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	Maybe my conspiracy theory isn't too far off. I just wonder what the climate will be like in 20 years. __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion

February 24th, 2008, 04:17 PM	#96
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Will you transition from DVD to BD sooner or later? Looking back, I stuck with VHS too long. Too many of my movies are on tape. The money I saved by buying a player late is now long forgotten, but my collection lives on. I now plan to buy a BD player sooner, rather than later. Sure, DVDs aren't as bulky and noisy as VHS tape, but as screen sizes grow, BD quality will become more and more apparent. My only misgiving is that BDs are currently overpriced vs. DVDs. So, did you already transition to BD? Will you transition soon? Will you wait? Do you not plan to get a BD player at all? __________________ Jon Fairhurst

February 24th, 2008, 11:32 PM	#97
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	First bride request pushes me over. __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion

March 1st, 2008, 08:56 PM	#99
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	I don't think anyone would accept HD DVD anymore. __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion

February 25th, 2008, 09:13 AM	#98
Tim Polster Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 2,231	It really depends upon the type of work you do. Some clients are happy you show up at all! Others have the means to afford whatever you suggest. I am stumped right now and might start with the 20 min HD on DVD-5 for now for some of my work, when I upgrade a camera.

March 30th, 2008, 05:31 PM	#103
Bill Koehler Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alpharetta, Georgia, USA Posts: 760	Best Buy Pulls Remaining HD DVD Stock Off Shelves http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11279 The last remnants are washing out to sea folks....

March 31st, 2008, 02:47 PM	#104
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	currently you can buy a 8 gig USB key for less than $50. small, light, fast , reusable.... few DVD player have the usb socket, but the day they all have, this will be the end of the disc (red or blue)

March 31st, 2008, 02:57 PM	#105
Harrison Murchison Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 243	I'm still trolling craigslist looking for deals. Last night I picked up 8 HD DVD movies for $70. Half of which I had not seen. Today things are different. Just because a format dies doesn't mean you are going to see all use for the hardware/software cease. Frankly I had my doubts that either format was going to see anything more than a fraction of the popularity of DVD. Consumers are tired of optical discs that their kids scratch up or discs that get flaky in some players. Digital downloads will be the next big thing for many. Me ..I don't care as long as my price/performance ideals are met.