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Old November 30th, 2009, 09:21 PM   #1
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Latest Scarlet news. Expect 2/3" early summer, s35 late summer

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Old November 30th, 2009, 10:53 PM   #2
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Wasn't it supposed to be 3k for 3k?

At least they've got a timetable now. Sounds like it'll be awesome.
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Old November 30th, 2009, 11:05 PM   #3
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3K for $3K was a nice marketing slogan, but it just didn't happen. The price still seems pretty good for what you're (supposedly) getting.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 01:29 AM   #4
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There are some snarky comments over on the twitter, but I for one think the price seems very reasonable considering what your getting.

Will be interesting to see if $4,750 will be the street price. If this was any other company but RED I would be confident of a 10 to 15% price drop by time it got to B&H and Amazon...
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Old December 1st, 2009, 03:04 AM   #5
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Red plans to sell this to dealers? I thought Red only???
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Old December 1st, 2009, 03:53 AM   #6
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<<<I added two more items to the comparison>>>

The fixed lens Scarlet, is not a much better deal, than the Sony PMW-350 EX. Of course Scarlet costs $4750 and the Sony $19000 but you get a lot more for you spending money:

16X lens instead of 8X, plus the ability to interchange it.
3cmos instead of one (better color, more pixels and probably better low light).
Color EVF (extra for Scarlet)
The Scarlet achieves 1080 through scaling. That may cause aliasing and moire problems so many users find annoying in the 5DII
Shoulder mount form factor (in the scarlet you have to add a pad).
Compatibility with industry standard peripherals (some of them you might already own).
Sony service (very important outside US) and abundance of similar behaving cameras to replace yours in emergency.
Much more efficient and faster workflow for broadcast/corporate assignments.
In most Europe, Sony has a 24 months 0% interest finance.

Scarlet is a more compact lightweight camera and has the ability to record Raw which is a big advantage if you plan a film out (and a pain for everything else). You have to add, at extra cost, the Nanoflash or the Kipro to get similar results from Sony.

On the other hand Scarlet is a much better deal than the similarly priced NXCAM.

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Old December 1st, 2009, 07:13 AM   #7
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Comparing a $5K camera to a $20K is just plain ridiculous.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 07:21 AM   #8
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There was some talk that they might be using dealers on the 2/3" Scarlet, but that could be just that - talk.

I expect it will be the usual thing with RED (plus other pro cameras), a good shooting kit is going to cost more than the base price. You'll need more than one battery for a start.

I'm assuming that you can fit a PL mount on the interchangeable 2/3" Scarlet.

RAW should be fine as long your post production schedule allows for it, but it's not suitable for every production.

I guess it's a case of not keeping all the people happy all of the time (which is impossible). Sony seem to be using their EX series pretty well, although they seem to thrown some of the ergonomics out. That could be something that might cost extra on the Scarlets: rigging them out for shooting hand held for long periods.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 09:51 AM   #9
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Comparing a $5K camera to a $20K is just plain ridiculous.
I disagree when the $5K camera has more resolution and uses the same size lens mount.

This is RED throwing a wrench in the prodcut lines of the other camera makers and comparisons need to be price independent imho.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 09:58 AM   #10
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Two questions I have:

I wonder how ENG lenses will fit into this cameras world. Is this camera meant to stay a "film only" type camera or do they want the ENG crowd to be whoo-ed over.

RED offers a PL to B4 adapter for $3,500.

After the body and accessories with the $3,500 adaptor, it will be interesting to see how close or far away from the PDW-350 you will get in the end.

Is RED RAW the only way to record images?

Will us Nano owners be able to hook up over HD-SDI and treat this camera like a 1080p video camera if we are so inclined?
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Old December 1st, 2009, 10:08 AM   #11
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The 2/3" Scarlet should have approx 2k + resolution (3k Bayer), which should place it amongst the 3 chip 2/3" cameras. However, until tests are done with real cameras it's hard to do any direct comparisons.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 01:02 PM   #12
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Regarding workflow, I believe that Scarlet will record in RAW -or- Full HD. I don't know what the codec will be for HD, and what platforms will support it, but the intent is to make the camera viable for fast turnaround projects.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 01:35 PM   #13
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In the forum area, I thought it was quite interesting the back and forth between RED fans and DSLR fans. Good points on both sides but it looks like whenever the two REDs come out, the pricing structure will mirror the RED 1......not a 5K camera but really a 25K camera. The biggest point is that the 5d and 7d are out now with affordable pricing and are being used now on many projects....docs, spots, and features.

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Old December 1st, 2009, 02:10 PM   #14
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Red's major selling point was their outstanding value for money, thus their marketing department, always compared their product (Red 1) with considerably more expensive cameras (F35,Viper, Genesis etc.). From this point of view, comparing the 350 with Scarlet is not without reason, since they share same size chip and roughly same resolution.
The fixed lens Scarlet, complete with EVF, IN/OUT module and everything, will probably sell around $12000. IMO the lens difference alone justifies the price for the Sony 350. The Scarlet (body only) with a 16X broadcast lens, the B4 adapter and everything will probably be more expensive than the 350. All I'm saying is that Red's value for money is no longer indisputable.

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Old December 1st, 2009, 02:16 PM   #15
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The biggest point is that the 5d and 7d are out now with affordable pricing and are being used now on many projects....docs, spots, and features.

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This really depends on the markets you're aiming at. Certainly, if you're aiming at the web they're fine, doubtful for many other markets except as specialised cameras.
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