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Old September 15th, 2010, 09:04 PM   #31
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Yeah, aren't the Canon's upwards of 48Mb/s ??
Canon HD bitrate is approximately 38 Megabits per second.
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Old September 15th, 2010, 09:16 PM   #32
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The was the older 5D firmware data rate, both the newer 5Ds and 7D have datarates in the mid 40s. But these are I-frame only numbers, and can't be directly compared with long GOP compression as Nikon much be using.
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Old September 16th, 2010, 08:25 AM   #33
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Sorry for my silly question.... but why isn't there a 1080/25 setting? Did I miss it somewhere in the specs? Did Nikon just forgot it or is this camera not meant for sale in Europe?

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Old September 16th, 2010, 08:39 AM   #34
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See my post in this thread (No 22). No 1080p25, only 1080 available is at 24p. Yep, I agree, that's half the world that won't even look at this camera - not a silly question but a very silly marketing gaffe on Nikon's part. Either that or it looks like that extra fps was a technical "step to far" for the capability of the processor...I wonder if it gets hot too? I guess we'll know the facts soon.

Actually, I've lost a lot of interest in it since I've found out just how low the bitrate is on it's codec. If the HDMI out is clean and full res then my thoughts on it might then improve but I doubt it'll supplant my 7D, or those of many others, (for DSLR video work) as things stand.
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Old September 16th, 2010, 09:26 AM   #35
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Or just use D, Ai, Ai-S lenses with a manual aperture ring?

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Old September 16th, 2010, 09:35 AM   #36
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I wonder if it gets hot too? I guess we'll know the facts soon.
My guess is that the 20 minutes recording limit is coming from here. It is definitely not the file size. As the time limit seems to be the same for different resolutions and thus is not limited by the file size.

Related to this, how long would the battery last when filming? The last hiking trip I only had to bring 2 batteries and 2 tapes for 2 hours of filming, which was just enough for me. If this is worse with a SLR I think I will stick with my camcorder. I was hoping I could take the D7000 instead of a camcorder and a DSLR in my backpack.
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Old September 17th, 2010, 10:29 PM   #37
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No 1080p25, only 1080 available is at 24p. Yep, I agree, that's half the world that won't even look at this camera - not a silly question but a very silly marketing gaffe on Nikon's part. .
Well the other half of the world doesn't use 24p either(29.97). It is a universal film rate. PAL countries have been watching 24fps film on PAL sets for ever(imagine that!). Yes I know what you are complaining about, but it isn't a deal breaker. Lack of 60p might be for me though.
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Old September 18th, 2010, 12:24 AM   #38
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..... Lack of 60p might be for me though.
Are you meaning 60p in 1080 or 720 recording mode?

I only know of one camcorder that does the 1080/60p and that's the Panny TM700 line. I think maybe there is a Sanyo that does this as well; not quite sure though.

But a DvSLR that would do 1080/60p would be amazing....granted it was implemented correctly.
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Old September 19th, 2010, 01:53 AM   #39
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720p60 of course.
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Old September 19th, 2010, 06:28 AM   #40
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Well the other half of the world doesn't use 24p either(29.97). It is a universal film rate. PAL countries have been watching 24fps film on PAL sets for ever(imagine that!). Yes I know what you are complaining about, but it isn't a deal breaker. Lack of 60p might be for me though.
24p is the universal film rate.
The D7000 does 23.976fps though (NTSC), not true 24p.
Half of the world does seem to be forgotten...
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Old September 19th, 2010, 06:59 AM   #41
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I wouldn't be surprised if the next Canon flagship (5D Mark III) has the 50Mbps 4:2:2 codec all other new Canon camcorders that have been announced lately (XF series) are using.
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Old September 19th, 2010, 07:00 AM   #42
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24p is the universal film rate.
The D7000 does 23.976fps though (NTSC), not true 24p.
Half of the world does seem to be forgotten...
That's the right fps for movies.
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Old September 19th, 2010, 11:10 AM   #43
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See my post in this thread (No 22). No 1080p25, only 1080 available is at 24p. Yep, I agree, that's half the world that won't even look at this camera - not a silly question but a very silly marketing gaffe on Nikon's part.
Compared to the other limitations with this camera e.g. low bit rate the lack of 25fps is only a minor inconvenience. The frame rate is really only of importance if you are producing SD for broadcast (unlikely) or DVDs. BluRay is1080p24 & I would guess that as with the Canon DSLRs that most video produced with this camera is destined for the web where PAL & NTSC are meaningless. If necessary it is in any case a pretty trivial matter to convert 24fps to 25fps.

Plenty of us bought Canon 5DIIs when they were only capable of 30fps & with no indication that there would ever be any other frame rate.
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Old September 19th, 2010, 02:01 PM   #44
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I really don't understand why Nikon only provides 24P at 1920 x 1080. Is it because there is some technical limitation in the Camera? Some people like 24P; others don't. That alone makes this issue a deal killer for those who need full HD at frame rates higher than 24P. I would love to see Nikon take Canon on with a 'killer' DSLR camera but they always pull up just short of the mark.

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Old September 19th, 2010, 10:45 PM   #45
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I thought this thread was discussing the Nikon D7000, not Sony and Canon cameras? What happened?

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