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Old September 30th, 2010, 12:09 AM   #61
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"but i'll not even step into a Nikon for video until they have a full HD, full frame, multiple framerate (24/25/30 progressive at 1080P) with a codec and bitrate to compare to the Canon alternatives."

Ditto. Hoping against hope (I'm not brand loyal in the slightest... although I'd say Canon had gotten 2 out of every 3 dollars I've spent on cameras and glass over the years) that it will truly offer something a step forward. This camera and the GH2 seem more like side steps then any sort of leap, although I do think we should wait until more shooters have their hands on production models.
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Old September 30th, 2010, 12:43 AM   #62
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i see the D7000 as another D90; a test. there are a LOT of Nikonians with a LOT invested in glass, and a brand-loyalty chip on their shoulders against Canon, waiting for Nikon to make a serious move into HDSLR. Nikon has let a LOT of people down after releasing the D90; yes they were the first to bat with a DSLR with video, but they have yet to prove that output is worth a damn in the real world.

i am one of these people. But i am not brand biased; i buy whatever works best for what i need. However, i DO have a lot, and i mean A LOT, invested in Nikkor glass and Nikon speedlights.

I have more invested in Nikkor glass, even at used, liquidation prices, than i do in my prized sports car that sits in my garage. i HAD been waiting for Nikon to announce something equivalent to the 7D, or AT LEAST the T2i for video. the day the D7000 was announced, i decided enough was enough, and bought 2 T2i's, one with an 18-55 IS kit lens, and the second with the 18-200 IS lens for backup cameras and tight-angle cameras. They have integrated well, and we have them matched to our preferred XH A1 shooting settings, now i have no reason to buy a D7000 or any other half-backed HDSLR offering from Nikon. We are a budget based, no nonsense ad firm; we are NOT out to make movies, so 24P is totally WORTHLESS to us. We shoot FULL HD, or HDV/Full HD, so 720P doesnt mesh well, and at least to our staff, its obvious; Nikons are OUT.

I will likely always use my nikon gear for stills; the metering, AF, flash, and low-light capabilities do surpass Canons' offerings... But i will NOT buy any further Nikon bodies until they are AT LEAST on par with Canons for video; PERIOD.

i find it appalling, irritating, and ridiculous that i had to go out and buy two Canons and two lenses for backup cameras (i know i could have used adapters, but i prefer OEM lenses and NO 3rd party garbage between lens and bodies) because Nikon is lagging. Shame on Nikon. I have a myriad of lenses, bodies, a pair of 35mm adapters for Nikkors, and a small fortune in Nikon gear that is basically stills-only now, or 35mm-adapter-only now.

If it werent for the superior 3D tracking, metering, and TTL flash work on the Nikons, i would jump ship to Canons totally, but stills are about 45% of our portfolio, and over half of that involves motorsports or compact speedlight usage, so for now we will continue to use Nikons for stills in action and flash work, and Canon for video work.

We have a ton of ARRI lighting, stands, etc for video and stills; i would HATE to have to abandon all my Nikon gear and pay the premium to switch assuming Canon gets metering/flash/AF on par with Nikons, but i am SERIOUSLY disappointed in the technical abominations that Nikon has produced for pseudo HDSLR's. I have a D300/grip with the Nikkor 18-200VR and SB-900 that i use often, also access to a 7D with grip and the Canon 18-200 IS and 580EX II (my girls camera); the AF and flash metering of the D300/grip at 8FPS is simply far more accurate in the sports/motorsports arena, but every time we go on a trip, we take her 7D because it shoots video superbly and great stills. The eTTL system is crap compared to the iTTL system though; and she has more experience in stills with flash than I. She uses my D300 and SB-800/SB-900's more than i do because they just work, and well. I use her 7D and my companies' T2i's for video because they shoot what i need flawlessly.

Brief example; last paid photo/video mixed shoot. Track, tarmac, at night, bad lighting. Subjects are RWD drift cars doing from 20mph to 80mph, from 1/8 mile away to 5 feet away, SIDEWAYS. Lighting is random mercury vapor lamps. Only practical lens for this shoot is the amateur Nikkor 18-200 VR because i cannot POSSIBLY switch lenses that fast, and my 2nd still cam is being used with a 70-200 VR from in the stands as well as our second XH A1 rig in the competent hands of friends/hired guns. girlfriend is shooting video on a 7D with the 18-200 IS lens (again due to the rapid focal length changes) and an XH A1 rig (both on the same tripod) right next to me for web/car club content. I have speedlights hidden and taped to light poles and orange road cones all over the track, 5 SB-900's and 3 SB-800's, some for backlighting, some for fill, some for on-car-glare. A car wings its way though the course, belching smoke while its sideways, my fingers twisting the lens furiously to keep it framed, clicking away. as it passes i can smell tiresmoke and feel bits of rubber pelting me; we are less than 6 feet from the front of the car as it passes at a ridiculous angle before us; im snapping away knowing my speedlights are killing her 7D video due to CMOS/rolling shutter, but bits of it will surpass the XH A1 footage. My shots come out great; i got published and everything. Her videos were on their website (XH A1, flash banding nixed the 7D footage), we were asked to return and shoot other events. Great time too; got to ride/shoot from inside the drift cars. In 2009 i shot at the Monaco Grand Prix; so this is nothing new to me; preset zoom ranges or prefocus and shoot based on the sounds as a car passed a particularly acoustically reflective object, preset speedlight positions, etc. What bothers me is that i had the SAME gear, Nikon branded, sitting in our car not in use because it was incompatible. Wasted money, when IF Nikon had ANYTHING compatible with 1080P 30P i would have ran out and bought two at LEAST that day, JUST for that days' shoot. Instead i lost camera angles. So now i bought 2 Canon HDSLR's; just for video. Client LOVED the final output, but i KNOW we could have done, and WILL do, better on the next event because we will have 2 more backup cameras, even if i have to dish out for better lenses.

pics are from earlier in the day, D50 or D300 shots. I dont upload to Flickr often. Please check em out. Last two pics we were less than 8' from the cars...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4075/...3b826605_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/...d8ba3b49_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4098/...d10081b1_b.jpg


Apologies for the rant.

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Old September 30th, 2010, 01:35 AM   #63
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Let it out brother! Breath!

But I understand.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 09:01 AM   #64
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With all that Nikkor glass at your finger tips, you'd be afool not to buy a few adapters off e-bay.
3rd party garbage or no 3rd party garbage, it's completely irrelevant - there are no optics in these suckers, it's just a simple aluminum mount adapter. There's just no reason not to.
I have been using Nikon mount lenses on Canon bodies for years to shoot stop-motion animation.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 09:31 AM   #65
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D7000 Test Video

Sorry I remove this link because it has already been posted.

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Old October 10th, 2010, 02:16 PM   #66
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I guess I was too generous on the data rate. Best is 19Mb/s which is not great, based on the 2900 MB file size.
Apologies for being an ignoramus, but can you help me with the math here. I'm dividing 2900 by 1200 (seconds) and coming up with ~2.4Mb/s. Clearly I'm missing a trick or two!

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Old October 10th, 2010, 02:23 PM   #67
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2900MB / 1200 = 2.4MB/s = 19Mb/s ... MB = MBytes, Mb = Mbits
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Old October 10th, 2010, 06:33 PM   #68
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"2900MB / 1200 = 2.4MB/s = 19Mb/s ... MB = MBytes, Mb = Mbits"

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Old October 10th, 2010, 07:20 PM   #69
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Just a casual observation, and perhaps anecdotal: on a hacked GH1, with the encoding rate at 44 Mb, I often find my overall bitrate to be reported as 28 Mb. That just means that there is not enough detail throughout the video to fully utilize the 44 Mb codec - it's variable...

And remember, all Mbits are not created equal :)
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Old January 7th, 2011, 01:13 AM   #70
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I guess I was too generous on the data rate. Best is 19Mb/s which is not great, based on the 2900 MB file size.
DP Review lists the D7000's 1080p and 720p bit rate as 5.5 megabytes per second in their review. This works out to 44 megabits per second. Obviously that doesn't fit with the maximum file sizes quoted in Nikon's D7000 D-Movie FAQ.

However, a note at the bottom of page 58 in the D7000's user guide states "Each movie file can be up to 4 GB in size and 20 minutes long".

So the question is, what exactly is the D7000's maximum bit rate? Are there any D7000 owners out there who have checked the bit rates of their 1080p and 720p clips recorded at high quality?
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Old January 7th, 2011, 01:21 AM   #71
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I'm also looking for the same info as Lefchik... whats the max bit rate of the D7000?
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Old January 7th, 2011, 11:12 AM   #72
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However, a note at the bottom of page 58 in the D7000's user guide states "Each movie file can be up to 4 GB in size and 20 minutes long".
The Canon DSLRs record 12 minutes of video to a 4GB movie file & the recording bit rate of the Canons is about 40Mbps. So a quick back of an envelope calculation gives the D7000 bit rate as (12/20)*40=24Mbps approximately which is also the maximum bit rate for Panasonic's AVCHD camcorders.
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Old January 7th, 2011, 09:57 PM   #73
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I downloaded some original D7000 video clips recorded in 1080p23.976 at High Quality via the Vimeo links from this Web page. Checking the bit rate on playback yielded a normal range of 17-21 megabits per second.
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