Aja has an $8,995 S35 4K camera, the Cion

[Loch Phillipps]

Hold on, I just found that MFT does make an active version:

https://www.lensadaptor.com/mtf-effe...aja-cion-mount

[Loch Phillipps]

Sorry to be posting serially here, updating my own posts, but it seems that MFT's active EF adaptor for the Cion may require another part to work:

https://www.lensadaptor.com/mtf-effect-control-unit-2

I guess I'm going to have to contact MFT directly to see how this all works, but it's looking like an active EF mount for the Cion may wind up costing somewhere in the neighborhood of $1500. That seems a bit extreme to me and I agree with others on this thread that a camera in this price range should be prioritizing a mount for lenses much cheaper than PL lenses. The point of this camera, it seems, is to provide a quality interchangeable lens camera for the run and gun crowd, who generally don't have Amira level budgets. Both PL lenses and these 3rd party mounts seem to defeat that purpose.

[Peer Landa]

Originally Posted by Peer Landa

Sorry to say, but I call it's all vaporware.

Originally Posted by Peer Landa

Although I truly enjoyed reading Jon's lengthy post, to me this camera now seems even more like vaporware. Most everything was covered in Jon's post (sans his childhood pet) but yet no shipping date. I'm too old for sale pitches like these (deja vu all over again, Bill Southworth, etc.). Sorry.

Well, since AJA just announced an actual shipping date ("end of December") for the Cion, I hereby apologize for my previous (above) posts. If this camera is as good as it is beautiful, AJA certainly hit a home run here.

-- peer

[Paul Cronin]

This looks like a great camera and they had me until I went to the specs. Only 60fps in 1080p then they lost me, too bad.

[Brian Drysdale]

The Cion is now shipping:

AJA CION Ships Today | Film and Digital Times

https://www.aja.com/

[Murray Christian]

Originally Posted by Paul Cronin

This looks like a great camera and they had me until I went to the specs. Only 60fps in 1080p then they lost me, too bad.

It might mark me as a naif (and it's probably accurate) but why is 60 such a deal breaker these days?
Seems like it wasn't only a couple years ago.

[Paul Cronin]

Murray,
It might not be for you which is great. But, for me I need at least 120fps for fast action sports that my clients demand, 240fps is even better. Beyond that the camera looks nice.

[Paul Cronin]

I do have to say that camera looks well thought out. Be very interested what the all up cost is to have one ready to go without glass and batteries.

[Rakesh Malik]

Originally Posted by Paul Cronin

Murray,
It might not be for you which is great. But, for me I need at least 120fps for fast action sports that my clients demand, 240fps is even better. Beyond that the camera looks nice.

AFAIK it CAN do 240fps in 2K and 120 fps in 4K, the catch being that you need an external recorder to make that work, which adds non-trivially to the cost ($2k).

[Jim Michael]

Funny, I see 120 @ 4k but no 240 @ 2k. And no pre-record cache. https://www.aja.com/en/products/cion#techspecs

[Paul Cronin]

So the camera is $9K then VF for $2K, then recorder for $2K, so $13-14K for base camera. At that point it is only media and glass. So direct competitor to Sony F5? Not the FS7

[Murray Christian]

Originally Posted by Paul Cronin

Murray,
It might not be for you which is great. But, for me I need at least 120fps for fast action sports that my clients demand, 240fps is even better. Beyond that the camera looks nice.

Oh I don't doubt there's reasons of various sorts. I'm waiting for some competition for the FS700 myself.
I was just idly wondering. It's something I've seen growing quite a bit around here the past couple of years. Every time a new camera comes along people look at the specs and check if it does at least 60frames at 1080 or over. If not, no sale.
I guess its just ever rising standards at work. I'm a bit out of touch so I was just curious if it was anything specific.

[Mike Watson]

Originally Posted by Paul Cronin

So the camera is $9K then VF for $2K, then recorder for $2K, so $13-14K for base camera. At that point it is only media and glass. So direct competitor to Sony F5? Not the FS7

I'm trying hard to like the FS7, but the Cion has that "big boy camera" look that the FS7 doesn't. My kingdom for something I can shoot with on a tripod, then pop onto my shoulder when we need a handheld shot, not have to fetch a shoulder mount and fumble to attach it.

[Paul Cronin]

Mike, I am not really sure you know what you are saying by experience? "Big Boy Camera"? I have a FS7 right in front of me and I can go on and off the tripod to shoulder without having to do a thing. Just like I could with my F55, F800, PMW-500, EX3, EX1, C300. All of these cameras can be set up to go tripod to shoulder without having to do a thing.

And with the FS7 I do it with out any additional gear except the battery extension since I prefer to use PagLink V-Lock batteries. Of course I have to add audio and glass but the rest is there and I can switch it to 180fps quickly and then go 4K quickly and do all of it on the media inside the camera.

I think the Cion is a nice camera from what I see, but lets keep to the facts and not add hearsay from the web.

[Paul Cronin]

Mike, I forgot one. MTF PL to E adapter I have added which I forgot to mention. Using Sony E glass or EF glass to me is just not what I am going to do. I want PL quality manual glass. Now, saying that I will give the Sony 28-135 a go.

So the Cion has it over the FS7 being a PL mount camera from the get to. And as I said in my early post on this thread if they had 180-240 fps in 1080p in the camera I might have gone that direction. It does look very nice for hand held work. But the only way to tell is go a 12-14 hr day of hard hand held work to really know how the camera works. A rental would solve that one.