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Old September 22nd, 2015, 10:28 PM   #1
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New RED camera, the Raven, $5,950 body.

RED is about to release a new camera, the Raven. It looks like their budget 4K camera.

This is not a rumor, it's been confirmed by RED personnel.
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Old September 22nd, 2015, 10:41 PM   #2
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Re: New RED camera, the Raven, $5,950 body.

When RED says "the release date is unknown at this stage" I don't hold my breath.
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Old September 23rd, 2015, 07:02 PM   #3
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Re: New RED camera, the Raven, $5,950 body.

If this is less expensive, with the Dragon sensor... why would anyone buy a Scarlet?
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Old September 25th, 2015, 10:41 AM   #4
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Re: New RED camera, the Raven, $5,950 body.

Red Raven Specs:

SENSOR 8.8 Megapixel RED DRAGON®
PIXEL ARRAY 4096 (h) x 2160 (v)
MAX IMAGE AREA 4096 (h) x 2160 (v)
SENSOR SIZE 20.48 mm (h) x 10.8 mm (v) x 23.2 mm (d)
(Approximately equivalent to APS-C and Academy 35mm formats)
DYNAMIC RANGE 16.5+ stops
S/N RATIO 80 dB
RECORDING FRAME RATES 1 4K (4096 × 2160) up to 120 fps
3K (3072 × 1620) up to 160 fps
2K (2048 × 1080) up to 240 fps
PLAYBACK FRAME RATES
(PROJECT TIMEBASE) 23.98, 24, 25, 29.97, 47.96, 48, 50, 59.94 fps, all resolutions
REDCODE® COMPRESSION 1 3:1 maximum available REDCODE for 4K (4096 × 2160) at 24 fps
7:1 maximum available REDCODE for 4K (4096 × 2160) at 60 fps
13:1 maximum available REDCODE for 4K (4096 × 2160) at 120 fps
TYPICAL MAX RECORDING TIME
USING RED MINI-MAG 120GB 4K (4096 × 2160) and 24 fps at 11:1 REDCODE: 64 minutes
4K (4096 × 2160) and 60 fps at 14:1 REDCODE: 33 minutes
4K (4096 × 2160) and 120 fps at 14:1 REDCODE: 16 minutes
REDCODE RAW
ACQUISITION FORMATS 4K (4096 × 2160), 2:1 (4096 × 2048), 2.4:1 (4096 × 1728), UHD/16:9 (3840 × 2160)
3K (3072 × 1620), 2:1 (3072 × 1536), 2.4:1 (3072 × 1296), 16:9 (2880 × 1620), 3:2 (2880 × 1920)
2K (2048 × 1080), 2:1 (2048 × 1024), 2.4:1 (2048 × 864), 16:9 (1920 × 1080), 3:2 (1920 × 1280)
APPLE PRORES Apple ProRes 422 HQ up to 2K (2048 × 1080) and up to 60 fps
Apple ProRes 422 up to 2K (2048 × 1080) and up to 60 fps
Apple ProRes 422 LT up to 2K (2048 × 1080) and up to 60 fps
REDCINE-X PRO
DELIVERY FORMATS 2 4K: DPX, TIFF, OpenEXR (.RED via RRencode Pluggin)
2K: DPX, TIFF, OpenEXR (.RED via RRencode Pluggin)
1080p RGB 4:2:2, 720p 4:2:2 : QuickTime, JPEG, Avid AAF, MXF
1080p 4.2.0, 720p 4:2:0 : H.264, .MP4
VIDEO EDITING SOFTWARE
COMPATIBILITY Adobe® Premier® Pro, Avid® Media Composer®, DaVinci Resolve®, Edius Pro®, Final Cut Pro®, Vegas Pro®
MONITOR OUTPUTS 3G-SDI (HD-SDI) and HDMI with Expander Modules
1080p RGB or 4:2:2, 720p RGB or 4:2:2
480p RGB or 4:2:2 (HDMI Only)
SMPTE Timecode, HANC Metadata, 24-bit 48 kHz Audio
MONITOR OPTIONS DSMC2 RED Touch 4.7" LCD
DSMC2 RED Touch 7.0" LCD
DSMC2 RED EVF (OLED)
RED Touch 7.0" LCD
RED PRO 7" LCD
BOMB EVF (LCOS)
DIGITAL MEDIA (SSD) RED MINI-MAG®, 140 MB/s max data rate
AUDIO Integrated dual channel digital stereo microphones, uncompressed, 24-bit 48 kHz
Optional 2 additional channels with Expander Module, uncompressed, 24-bit 48 kHz
REMOTE CONTROL Built-in Wireless
Ethernet, RS232, and GPI Trigger with Expander Modules.
CONSTRUCTION Aluminum Alloy
WEIGHT ~3.5 lbs (BRAIN with Media Bay and Canon Lens Mount)
OPERATING TEMPERATURE 0°C to 40°C (32°F to 104°F)
STORAGE TEMPERATURE –20°C to 50°C (–4°F to 122°F)
Tech specs reflect both current and projected information. Everything is subject to change.

REDCODE values and max frame rates may vary based on selected acquisition format/aspect ratio.
Delivery formats from REDCINE-X PRO®.
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Old September 25th, 2015, 02:28 PM   #5
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Ordered it this morning.
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Old September 26th, 2015, 12:19 PM   #6
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That is some pretty amazing specs for the money. Shame that Pro Res is limited. If it wasn't I'd be on it ! Red format just doesn't work for 50% of my clients.

Surprising move though....don't quite understand where this leaves scarlet either ....!?
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Old September 27th, 2015, 01:34 AM   #7
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Re: New RED camera, the Raven, $5,950 body.

Regarding Scarlet, one has to wonder if the competition hasn't already left it in the dust. It's not Raven vs. Scarlet. It's RED vs. everybody else.
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Old September 28th, 2015, 08:59 AM   #8
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Re: New RED camera, the Raven, $5,950 body.

i agree, an amazing camera for the price, Dragon sensor and unlike the Scarlet Raven shoots 4K on 4K sensor, and up to 120 fps - nice!
it's not going to be $6K but closer to $10 ready to shoot, but still pretty good price for 4K raw 16 stops of DR @ 120fps
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Old September 28th, 2015, 12:27 PM   #9
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Re: New RED camera, the Raven, $5,950 body.

But when will it ship? I really believe a lot of the feature and resolution growth in cameras over the last decade is due to Jim Jannard and RED. But not due to what they actually do - just because of what they threaten. By the time these Ravens are in-stock at B&H, it'll be Labor Day of 2016 and the feature set they "announced" this week will be paralleled by the rest of the camera manufacturers.
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Old September 28th, 2015, 01:01 PM   #10
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Re: New RED camera, the Raven, $5,950 body.

I don't think that RED sells through B&H, IIRC.
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Old September 28th, 2015, 03:07 PM   #11
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Sorry. It was an example.
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Old September 28th, 2015, 07:51 PM   #12
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Re: New RED camera, the Raven, $5,950 body.

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i agree, an amazing camera for the price, Dragon sensor and unlike the Scarlet Raven shoots 4K on 4K sensor, and up to 120 fps - nice!
But still, it's only an APS-C sensor.

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Old September 29th, 2015, 07:42 AM   #13
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But still, it's only an APS-C sensor.

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not even, a bit smaller then, but what's wrong with that, best examples of world cinema were shot on S35, not on 36x24.
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Old September 29th, 2015, 12:18 PM   #14
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Re: New RED camera, the Raven, $5,950 body.

Even less than S 35, that's a recent addition that uses the soundtrack area on motion picture film. The academy format is narrower and cropping is used for the flat wide screen formats..
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But when will it ship? I really believe a lot of the feature and resolution growth in cameras over the last decade is due to Jim Jannard and RED. But not due to what they actually do - just because of what they threaten. By the time these Ravens are in-stock at B&H, it'll be Labor Day of 2016 and the feature set they "announced" this week will be paralleled by the rest of the camera manufacturers.
Hey Mike
Pretty safe bet that they'll roll out in Feb (trickle may be a better word than roll). Considering most of the R&D was done for the Weapon already, the Raven shouldn't be a stretch to get out on time.

Just had a thought... it's too bad they aren't making it with a Sony mount... then you could run a Speedbooster on it with all the goodness it provides FOV wise.
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