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Old June 27th, 2016, 09:18 PM   #1
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Digital Bolex closes shop

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Old June 28th, 2016, 04:40 PM   #2
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Sad to see them shutter their doors, but I'm not too surprised.

As mentioned in their post "it still remains the only affordable camera with fully raw, uncompressed 12-bit footage, native global shutter, incredible audio capabilities, and, as of our most recent firmware update this May, color science that now rivals cameras tens of times its cost"

Yes, 12-bit is better than 10-bit which is better than 8-bit, but I've seen lots of amazing things straight out of a camera that is shooting compressed 8-bit videos with rolling shutter.

If you're young & don't have money for your film, you could buy a Digital Bolex for $5k + accessories, or you could shoot with a $500 GH3 & use the other $4,500+ on set design, props, crew, etc. etc. et.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 02:30 AM   #3
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I don't think they intended you to buy a Digital Bolex for just one film, rental makes more sense for that, it's surprising the deals that rental house will do for short film makers.

There are now a numberr of options in the $5k or less range, although the Digial Bolex got respect when tested on CML for its images.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 11:52 AM   #4
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I think I just always disagreed with the whole "Independent filmmakers NEED this high level, 12-bit, global shutter, etc. etc. etc."

No they don't. Maybe in 2001, when everything was interlaced DV, but in the post HDSLR world, young want to be filmmakers had tons of cheap options.

I think if you don't have a lot of money, it's okay to shoot compressed (or whatever affordable option you have available). Kevin Smith shot Clerks on 16mm B&W because that is what he could afford.

I think their hearts were in the right place, just maybe mis-read the market & what was really needed.

At least they weren't as bad as BMD. I never understood why BMD released a super cheap Hyperdeck Shuttle recorder that needed $$$ SSD drives to record uncompressed video. At the time I thought, anyone who NEEDS uncompressed video can spend more than $345 on a recorder (especially when the SSD drives will costs a lot more than $345). Once the Hyperdeck Shuttle 2 came out that could do Prores, it opened the door to cheaper drives & made a lot more sense.

But all of this is just my opinion.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 12:26 PM   #5
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Yeah, you don't *need* 16mm, 12-bits, global shutter, but it would be a killer cam for greenscreen action footage. 8-bit, encoded, rolling shutter video simply can't compete when it comes to compositing.

Unfortunately, the Digital Bolex industrial design implied that "this is for old-style and documentary film-making." But not everybody feels retro, and RAW isn't necessarily the best solution for docs. I'm afraid that the camera's physical look just didn't match its potential. If anything, it looked like it was for handheld only and didn't look like it would be rugged in the field.

But if anybody has an action compositing project, they might just look for a used Digital Bolex - and hope that it never needs servicing.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 02:06 PM   #6
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The Digital Bolex simply never delivered in either usability or image quality. Anyone that says differently also thinks the Emperor is sporting the finest finery known to man.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 02:41 PM   #7
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A number of people have said otherwise about the images from the Digitial Bolex. The ergomonics is another matter.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 02:43 PM   #8
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A number of people have said otherwise about the images from the Digitial Bolex.
Of course they have. They just dropped $5k on a camera that tickles their desires. That they say the images are fantastic is inevitable. But I didn't spend $5k and I saw the same video they posted and they are mistaken.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 05:31 PM   #9
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These were tests pertormed by Geoff Boyle on CML, who was positive about the results from the camera. It''s a 2k sensor, so not the sharpest around, but not producing a nice image is one thing I haven't heard about this camera, although it has the downside of a low ISO.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 06:30 PM   #10
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These were tests pertormed by Geoff Boyle on CML, who was positive about the results from the camera.
What did he say, exactly? Be sure to include a link.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 01:58 AM   #11
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You have to be a member of CML to get access to his full comments, but here are camera tests that has some comments about grading the D16.

CML-UWE-Camera-Evaluation-Oct-2015

Philip Bloom also liked the organic pictures, his concerns were about how the camera fitted into the market.

Video review of the Digital Bolex D-16 | Philip Bloom


Digital Bolex D16 Review Part 2: First Footage & D16 vs. Blackmagic Pocket vs. SI-2K Mini Test

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Old June 30th, 2016, 05:44 AM   #12
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You have to be a member of CML to get access to his full comments, but here are camera tests that has some comments about grading the D16.
Then how do you know that there are comments? And a simple "you'll be amazed" within the entire link doesn't exactly go into detail, and could just as easily refer to the editing of cDNG files in Photoshop alone.

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I've graded the Bolex thumbnails in Photoshop because none of the automated processes I use worked well with the cDNG files
Doesn't sound like he had any experience with cDNG there, so perhaps the first time of doing it that way was amazing? Still not much of a ringing endorsement.

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Philip Bloom also liked the organic pictures, his concerns were about how the camera fitted into the market.
Philip Bloom is not very well going to trash a camera with this much buzz on his website that is dependent on catering to the enthusiast community.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 07:03 AM   #13
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Geoff Boyle is a well known top DP, CML is a site for professional cimematographers and crew members many of whom work on high end productions of which I'm a member. He is extremely robust in his comments and demanding about cameras and there was some discussion at the time about the best approagh to grading the Digital Bolex for these tests.

I know the enthusiasts who own a D16 include a TV broadcast engineer and a Vice President of a well known top camera rental company, who are pleased with the results from the camera.

So far, I haven't read any really negative comments about the D16 images (other than yours), which isn't the case with say the Cion. It's a camera trying to make images which are the digital equivalent of Super 16 film, which may not be to everyones taste and it's not a camera for shooting in low light.

Phillip Bloom did make negative comments about the D16, questioning where it fitted in when there are other, much more versatile cameras in the market.

The D16 is a niche camera.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 07:18 AM   #14
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Geoff Boyle is a well known top DP, CML is a site for professional cimematographers and crew members many of whom work on high end productions of which I'm a member. He is extremely robust in his comments and demanding about cameras and there was some discussion at the time about the best approagh to grading the Digital Bolex for these tests.
Nothing at all which says he thinks the camera excels in any aspects over and above any of the better options out there.

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I know the enthusiasts who own a D16 include a TV broadcast engineer and a Vice President of a well known top camera rental company, who are pleased with the results from the camera.
None of which pay their rent by the supposed virtues of the D16 over the competition. It's a camera they can play with and it has a different look to it, nothing more.

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So far, I haven't read any really negative comments about the D16 images (other than yours)
That's because you haven't been looking.

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which isn't the case with say the Cion.
Definitely not one that appeals to nostalgia.

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The D16 is a niche camera.
The D16 offers nothing except a look that you can easily emulate from any other camera that shoots to a decent codec. There is not one thing about it that makes it worth owning at all unless the design appeals to your hipster aesthetic. People say it looks good because they want to jump in with the crowd and not appear to be an artless cretin, but it's all an illusion, just like the Emperor's threads.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 07:52 AM   #15
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I guess the illusion,depends on what you're shooting gains any advantage from using a CCD v CMOS sensor.
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